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    Lightbulb Betting units

    I am a new player using the hi-opt 1 system. I have been playing at table minimums ($10) and have been doing alright. I have thought about increasing to $20/hand and then I am able to reduce my bet when the count is <0. Is this a good idea? Would this draw attention to myself or am I not betting enough for anyone to pay attention?

    Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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    Are you flat betting? That means, are you always betting $10 a hand?

    Nobody is paying attention if you're flat betting.

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    There are pros and cons. Coming off the top with a higher bet can help disguise the size of your spread. But it costs you some EV.

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    From what I hear, and my limited experience, anything under $50 doesn't draw any heat, even spreading $5-50

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    If you're drawing attention, then you're playing in a low class shit hole. There is no reason to worry about heat at your level.

    At a more technical level, possibly ahead of where you're at, starting with a $20, maxing at $150, dropping to $10 in negative counts, does disguise your spread, as opposed to a start if $10 spreading to $150. There will be a slight cost to SCORE using your proposed gambit, which is well worth it. The cost is compensated for, if your gambit has increased your max over, let's say, your original max if $100.

    We don't know your bankroll, or tolerance to risk, which are also factors to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    Are you flat betting? That means, are you always betting $10 a hand?

    Nobody is paying attention if you're flat betting.
    I'm with you. He doesn't appear to have a spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    I'm with you. He doesn't appear to have a spread.

    My spread so far has been $10-$80

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    And as far as I know I haven't drawn any heat. However, the pit boss did walk over and stand right next to me the second I moved to $80 a hand - which caught me off guard and I made BS mistake. I very new to playing with a system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowmanmsu View Post
    My spread so far has been $10-$80
    Why not start off at $15 and drop to $10 in negative counts especially if $80 is only you top bet. Are you playing DD games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Why not start off at $15 and drop to $10 in negative counts especially if $80 is only you top bet. Are you playing DD games.
    Assume shoe for arguments sake. Concept is the same as off the top $20 dropping to $10 in negative counts.

    Your highest SCORE will occur when your min bet is at table min, so, any deviation from that will reduce SCORE. So, 10-80, now camoflauged by 20-120, reducing to 10 in min counts, should be enough to overcome reduction in initial SCORE. I'd gphave to double check later today on the break even SCORE.

    Now, going way beyond this level, is the effect of a dual ramp to SCORE. That's a discussion for a different day.

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    Unless you’re playing in a very small casino, nobody is probably paying attention to your $80 max bets. Since you’re a beginner I’m inclined to say those thoughts are all in your head. Sounds like you need some more practice to get BS down cold so you won’t be distracted by interruptions like the pit boss. If you’re playing all, I would agree to bet $20 or $25 off the top especially after finishing a shoe with your max bets exposed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    "Why not start off at $15 and drop to $10 in negative counts especially if $80 is only you top bet."
    An entirely insignificant difference in bet-sizing.


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    I personally pretty strongly disagree with any cover before you have roughly 300 hours of table time and are positive. Especially below 2x200...prove without a doubt you’re beating the game first and then think about if it’s worth it to get fancy IMO.

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