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    Ace tracking

    Hi guys

    Do you know Ace tracking techniques? I'm just curious about this method and wanna ask If it is possibile to master it and get advantage . Is it still profittable ?

    I know that a basic method is to mind the key cards close to the Ace and try to recognize the position of it in the next shoe.
    Is it still possibile in a 6 decks game with the current rules?

    Thanks to everyone
    Last edited by chaos sequence; 05-16-2018 at 10:42 AM.

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    The problem around my neck of the woods is finding a hand shuffled game. I have heard of people saying they can sequence an ASM, but I am a skeptic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    The problem around my neck of the woods is finding a hand shuffled game. I have heard of people saying they can sequence an ASM, but I am a skeptic.
    Did I finally get to your ears?

    Hand shuffled game has the great comeback in the past 9 months because many Blackjack players refuse to play ASM tables as artificial intelligence technology skyrocketed recently and the sequencing algorithm improves so much. Now you can find $25, $15 or even $10 minimal BJ tables everywhere, not just limited to $50 or $100 minimal tables in high roller room. The casinos try to cater the bad players who will lose money anyway against ASM or hand-shuffled. AP should do their homework and play only hand-shuffled games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Did I finally get to your ears?
    No, I beat the ASM games no problem. But this is an ace sequencing thread.

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    I have played with probably the world's best ace sequencer. He could remember the sequences for 12 aces in a shoe. It's because of him that several LV casinos changed their shuffle. Nowadays, it's extremely rare to find a shuffle that is amenable to ace sequencing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I have played with probably the world's best ace sequencer. He could remember the sequences for 12 aces in a shoe. It's because of him that several LV casinos changed their shuffle. Nowadays, it's extremely rare to find a shuffle that is amenable to ace sequencing.
    I'm curious, could you tell me what the shuffle specifics were at the time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacblacc911 View Post
    I'm curious, could you tell me what the shuffle specifics were at the time? [email protected]
    Sorry, rather not say. What I will say is there's one procedure that's part of most shuffles that severely limits the opportunity.

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    there is another technique that is still available that is as powerful as sequencing, perhaps a little more so depending on the conditions. wont discuss here but if interested feel free to email me at cohibacorona21@gmail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cohiba View Post
    email me at cohibacorona21@gmail
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    Are you ready to practice 3-4 hours for 2 years or more? It is hard work and requires full dedication. Once you begin to key in more than 10 sequences (10 pairs of key cards preceding 10 aces), your mind begins to forget or confuse some of them as you play multiple shoes. So you go back to practicing again. Once you are able to memorise whole deck of cards in, say, 30 or 40 seconds, then you could play a much profitable game under current conditions (complex shuffles).

    If you memorise less than 10 sequences (20 key cards), you risk over betting or under betting unless you find a simpler shuffle. Multidecks are full of false keys and missed opportunities if you could only manage to key-in a handful of aces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassie View Post
    Are you ready to practice 3-4 hours for 2 years or more? It is hard work and requires full dedication. Once you begin to key in more than 10 sequences (10 pairs of key cards preceding 10 aces), your mind begins to forget or confuse some of them as you play multiple shoes. So you go back to practicing again. Once you are able to memorise whole deck of cards in, say, 30 or 40 seconds, then you could play a much profitable game under current conditions (complex shuffles).

    If you memorise less than 10 sequences (20 key cards), you risk over betting or under betting unless you find a simpler shuffle. Multidecks are full of false keys and missed opportunities if you could only manage to key-in a handful of aces.
    This is either misinformation or, more seriously, disinformation. Please explain why keying in less than 10 aces risks over-betting or under-betting. Don't discourage learning the most powerful bj skill.

    Chucky Baby

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    Quote Originally Posted by chucky baby View Post
    Please explain why keying in less than 10 aces risks over-betting or under-betting. Don't discourage learning the most powerful bj skill.

    Chucky Baby
    If you are already experienced in STing and then trying sequencing, you do better because you already some idea of what you are doing.

    A newbie who memorises 9-10 sequences will not intially grasp the kind of variance found in tracking/sequencing. For example, key cards and aces often stay intact not retaining playable gaps (missed opportunities). On the other extreme, a newbie may also find it problematic to correctly recognise key cards.

    Say, you see your six key cards - 5D, 8S, 10D, 4D, 4S, KH - all on the felt on a given round within playable gaps. Each key is about 1-3 cards apart from one another. There may or may not be an ace.

    Does it mean 2 or 3 aces are going to follow? How many boxes to spread? For how much? What if all these cards are false keys? Have you already observed more of these cards being dealt in last rounds? Finally, if there was already a missed ace, what would you do? Expect one more? May be two? If yes, where exactly?

    The above example is just one of many possibilities when you try to sequence 10 or fewer aces.

    SD and DD games are somewhat better for beginners.

    6D/8D games are good for practice before a newbie actually starts playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos sequence View Post
    Hi guys

    Do you know Ace tracking techniques? I'm just curious about this method and wanna ask If it is possibile to master it and get advantage . Is it still profittable ?

    I know that a basic method is to mind the key cards close to the Ace and try to recognize the position of it in the next shoe.
    Is it still possibile in a 6 decks game with the current rules?

    Thanks to everyone
    Dear Chaos
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