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    Quote Originally Posted by chucky baby View Post
    The ideal is to play with a partner. You register the keys, he retrieves the keys to know when an ace is expected. Re. card counting at the same time, do it if you can count on your fingers, etc for additional betting action whilst waiting for the aces. BUT do not card count on the 1st 2 boxes because the "ace depletion" syndrome takes away your count's advantage. As far as the count affecting the ace advantage, it is negligible for all except the most extreme negative counts. Remember the 52% advantage of an ace is the AVERAGE advantage of that ace when paired up with any other card.
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    Ace tracking is the Creme de la Creme of bj skills.
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    Nowadays this skill is unprofitable. Do not clog your brain.

    p.s.

    You can not imagine how many good game conditions were burned by unskilled trackers. Even more burnt incompetent fishers Aces...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Nowadays this skill is unprofitable. Do not clog your brain.
    Can you go into more detail as to why ace prediction is unprofitable today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Can you go into more detail as to why ace prediction is unprofitable today?
    Modern day ASM mechanism has made ace sequence obsolete. They push one card at a time from the left chamber to the right chamber. In old days, when the lazy dealer hand shuffled, they interleaved chunks of cards from two piles, so the sequence was preserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Modern day ASM mechanism has made ace sequence obsolete. They push one card at a time from the left chamber to the right chamber. In old days, when the lazy dealer hand shuffled, they interleaved chunks of cards from two piles, so the sequence was preserved.
    Translation without the BS Norm warned BJG to no longer put in threads that weren't yellow. You need particular hand shuffles to sequence. They are going the way of the dinosaur.

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    You guys are something else. You give horribly complicated answers to questions newbies have and simplistic answers to questions that deserve some finesse. Do you really think I'm confused about sequencing an ASM? Or that I don't understand there are hand shuffles too complicated to effectively sequence?

    No offense, but I was asking Gramazeka for his thoughts because he is seasoned in this area. Hopefully he knows that I know you have to start with a hand shuffled game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Can you go into more detail as to why ace prediction is unprofitable today?

    What makes it a waste of time (in general) is that
    casinos use a complex shuffle or they use A.S.M.'s


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    What makes it a waste of time (in general) is that
    casinos use a complex shuffle or they use A.S.M.'s

    I'm seriously done here. This is asinine.

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    That is what I meant. If you ind that are gem that still does a simple hand shuffle go at it. But the tiny number of places like that make the play not profitable. If Gram meant something else he would say so either by pm or on the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    You guys are something else. You give horribly complicated answers to questions newbies have and simplistic answers to questions that deserve some finesse. Do you really think I'm confused about sequencing an ASM? Or that I don't understand there are hand shuffles too complicated to effectively sequence?

    No offense, but I was asking Gramazeka for his thoughts because he is seasoned in this area. Hopefully he knows that I know you have to start with a hand shuffled game.
    Haha.
    Just another day at BJTF my friend.

    If I know Gramazeka what Im guessing he meant is that there just arent enough sequenceable shuffles anymore for this to be worth anybodys time.

    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    I'm seriously done here. This is asinine.
    Basically ZMF and I gave you the same answer. For ace sequencing to work, you need lazy dealers do the coarse shuffling. These days casinos either use ASM or are very careful on their hand shuffling. I don't know what you expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    I don't know what you expect.
    Certainly nothing from you, Mr. Yellow. No offense.

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    In the first, it is not so easy to learn. Study books by Dominic O'Brien and Persi Warren Diaconis...

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