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    Ace tracking

    Hi guys

    Do you know Ace tracking techniques? I'm just curious about this method and wanna ask If it is possibile to master it and get advantage . Is it still profittable ?

    I know that a basic method is to mind the key cards close to the Ace and try to recognize the position of it in the next shoe.
    Is it still possibile in a 6 decks game with the current rules?

    Thanks to everyone
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    The problem around my neck of the woods is finding a hand shuffled game. I have heard of people saying they can sequence an ASM, but I am a skeptic.

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    I have played with probably the world's best ace sequencer. He could remember the sequences for 12 aces in a shoe. It's because of him that several LV casinos changed their shuffle. Nowadays, it's extremely rare to find a shuffle that is amenable to ace sequencing.

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    Are you ready to practice 3-4 hours for 2 years or more? It is hard work and requires full dedication. Once you begin to key in more than 10 sequences (10 pairs of key cards preceding 10 aces), your mind begins to forget or confuse some of them as you play multiple shoes. So you go back to practicing again. Once you are able to memorise whole deck of cards in, say, 30 or 40 seconds, then you could play a much profitable game under current conditions (complex shuffles).

    If you memorise less than 10 sequences (20 key cards), you risk over betting or under betting unless you find a simpler shuffle. Multidecks are full of false keys and missed opportunities if you could only manage to key-in a handful of aces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    The problem around my neck of the woods is finding a hand shuffled game. I have heard of people saying they can sequence an ASM, but I am a skeptic.
    Did I finally get to your ears?

    Hand shuffled game has the great comeback in the past 9 months because many Blackjack players refuse to play ASM tables as artificial intelligence technology skyrocketed recently and the sequencing algorithm improves so much. Now you can find $25, $15 or even $10 minimal BJ tables everywhere, not just limited to $50 or $100 minimal tables in high roller room. The casinos try to cater the bad players who will lose money anyway against ASM or hand-shuffled. AP should do their homework and play only hand-shuffled games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Did I finally get to your ears?
    No, I beat the ASM games no problem. But this is an ace sequencing thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassie View Post
    Are you ready to practice 3-4 hours for 2 years or more? It is hard work and requires full dedication. Once you begin to key in more than 10 sequences (10 pairs of key cards preceding 10 aces), your mind begins to forget or confuse some of them as you play multiple shoes. So you go back to practicing again. Once you are able to memorise whole deck of cards in, say, 30 or 40 seconds, then you could play a much profitable game under current conditions (complex shuffles).

    If you memorise less than 10 sequences (20 key cards), you risk over betting or under betting unless you find a simpler shuffle. Multidecks are full of false keys and missed opportunities if you could only manage to key-in a handful of aces.
    This is either misinformation or, more seriously, disinformation. Please explain why keying in less than 10 aces risks over-betting or under-betting. Don't discourage learning the most powerful bj skill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Blackjack players refuse to play ASM tables as artificial intelligence technology skyrocketed recently and the sequencing algorithm improves so much.
    Surely that is voodoo.....how can any program predict players joining and leaving constantly which would undoubtedly mess with any preordained sequence??

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos sequence View Post
    Hi guys

    Do you know Ace tracking techniques? I'm just curious about this method and wanna ask If it is possibile to master it and get advantage . Is it still profittable ?

    I know that a basic method is to mind the key cards close to the Ace and try to recognize the position of it in the next shoe.
    Is it still possibile in a 6 decks game with the current rules?

    Thanks to everyone
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    I have a question. If someone is a proficient ace sequencer, (say sequencing 10 aces per 6 deck shoe accurately) then is ace sequencing, without counting on top of it, more profitable than just counting? Assuming they find an exploitable hand shuffle. And by how much?

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