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Thread: Are any Indexes in Wong's Professional Blackjack wong?

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    Are any Indexes in Wong's Professional Blackjack wong?

    Aside from the obvious 1 offs in negative counts due to truncating. I only ask because I recently saw this: (which, assuming it's for late surrender, doesn't affect me anyways)

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/at...achmentid=3076 (sorry idk how to embed an attachment any better)

    And I just want to make sure I'm aware of any other possible incorrect indexes if there happens to be any more.

    Thanks

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    Apparently 17vA for a H17 game is wrong as well. Casino Verite took the information from wongs bookand verite says to simply surrender for halves at ALL counts, meanwhile people on this forum say to only surrender below +2.

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    Wong had many versions of his book, and each version had several printings. Errors were subsequently corrected in some instances, but not all. In addition, he had the terribly unfortunate switch from flooring to truncating for all of his indices, and that caused further confusion.

    Don

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    to clarify- in 6 deck games i should surrender 8,8 vs 10 at a count of +2 in either s17 or h17 games correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomf23 View Post
    to clarify- in 6 deck games i should surrender 8,8 vs 10 at a count of +2 in either s17 or h17 games correct?
    S17 games +2, H17 games I believe you surrender at +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    S17 games +2, H17 games I believe you surrender at +1
    Neither one of you means S17 and H17, of course (the upcard is a 10!). You mean DAS and NDAS. And yes, there is a difference.

    Don

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    Thanks, Don for the clarification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Neither one of you means S17 and H17, of course (the upcard is a 10!). You mean DAS and NDAS. And yes, there is a difference.

    Don
    ha yes ty don.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Wong had many versions of his book, and each version had several printings. Errors were subsequently corrected in some instances, but not all. In addition, he had the terribly unfortunate switch from flooring to truncating for all of his indices, and that caused further confusion.

    Don
    Sorry, I should have specified this. I have the green 1994 version

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    Sorry, I should have specified this. I have the green 1994 version
    Check the print date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Check the print date.
    Printed in 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountinCanadian View Post
    Printed in 2013
    In this, or another thread, someone made a reference regarding DAS splitting 44v4.

    My copy shows halves at +3 and halves at +2, for 4 deck H17. These indexes are around page 252 and 275 or so respectively. Plus 3 is correct for both. Do me a favour and check your edition. I'm curious if the newer print date has the corrections.

    Also, check pages 81-93 or so for early and late surrender indexes for both H17 and S17. That should be in your edition as well, but is not necessarily in the 1994 edition printed prior to 2005.

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    HiLo is listed as +3 and Halves is still listed as +2 for splitting 4,4 v 3 in 4 deck H17. I'll pencil in the change for halves even though I use HiLo.

    The ES and LS tables are on pages 91 and 92 respectively, but the back also has many more surrender indexes with the rest of the indexes (pg 252 to 275), including surrender indexes for different 2-card combinations which I like.

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