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    Melbourne, Australia BJ condition question

    is there any game that is good enough to count? preferably around the melbourne airport.

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    The only casino in Melbourne is Crown Casino, which is probably a good 30 minute drive away from the airport, more with traffic. Conditions are less than desirable, with 8 deck shoes, H17, 3:2, OBBO, D9-11, DAS, SPL3, NRSA. HE is around 0.76%. Pen can be good (1-1.5 decks). However, the mins for shoe games are $50, which is absolutely appalling for the ruleset.

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    so that is the standard ? and pontoon is almost all CSM ? crap for counting. you can still win something but for how long ... dang.

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    Pontoon is all 6:5 CSM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deviru View Post
    is there any game that is good enough to count? preferably around the melbourne airport.
    I can't confirm it for all Aussie casinos, including Crown, but BJ and Pontoon shoe games are countable in all casinos that offer these games. A punter needs:

    1) Higher bankroll from 25K to 100K,
    2) An ability to move around faster both within a given casino and between multiple casinos (hit and run, hop and run).
    3) Diversified skills that go beyond traditional counting. For example, some side bets such as blackpot can also be exploited on busy tables (where you only play side bets on others' hands).

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    As of last week I don't believe you'll find any shoe based Pontoon in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koz84 View Post
    As of last week I don't believe you'll find any shoe based Pontoon in Australia.
    I am still hopeful of finding Pontoon shoe in a few VIP rooms from either of these -- Adelaide, Cairns, Alice Springs, Brisbane, Sydney, and perhaps Canberra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassie View Post
    I am still hopeful of finding Pontoon shoe in a few VIP rooms from either of these -- Adelaide, Cairns, Alice Springs, Brisbane, Sydney, and perhaps Canberra.
    Sydney only have one BJ table, no Pontoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koz84 View Post
    Sydney only have one BJ table, no Pontoon.
    Hmm, I was doubtful about Sydney and Canberra. I am still more hopeful about Adelaide, Alice Springs, and QL. Wikipedia article is pretty dated, but Adelaide was offering it in the main hall until recently, a year ago. I have observed variability in Queensland as casinos replace CSMs with shoes (and vice versa) every other year.

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    I don't know anything about Australia conditions beyond what I read here, but I do enjoy reading the posts for some reason. Seeing how few options you have, are you generally concerned about shoe disappearing entirely and everything being CSM? We see that trend in the States and it makes the game worse generally, but for obvious reasons it's unlikely one would run out of options here.

    Curious how you guys see this developing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    I don't know anything about Australia conditions beyond what I read here, but I do enjoy reading the posts for some reason. Seeing how few options you have, are you generally concerned about shoe disappearing entirely and everything being CSM? We see that trend in the States and it makes the game worse generally, but for obvious reasons it's unlikely one would run out of options here.

    Curious how you guys see this developing.
    Tue trend will be similar here. Essentially low limit tables will all be CSMs. Shoe games would start at $100 or more. Having said that, I don't discount a reversal of this trend seasonally. No casino would add CSM on a table that is only busy during tourist season. So save up as much and be ready to travel. In Australia, there are only 12 places where you have to travel to play, though these casinos are located light years apart from one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    I don't know anything about Australia conditions beyond what I read here, but I do enjoy reading the posts for some reason. Seeing how few options you have, are you generally concerned about shoe disappearing entirely and everything being CSM? We see that trend in the States and it makes the game worse generally, but for obvious reasons it's unlikely one would run out of options here.

    Curious how you guys see this developing.
    Nothing is more scary than the disappearing shoe in Australia. At least with the States you have hundreds upon hundreds, if not, thousands to choose from. We have about 1-3 casinos per state.

    Currently, Melbourne has shoe games on main floors, $50 mins. Sydney has no public shoe games, Canberra has no public shoe games. As said above, the Queensland casinos have the odd shoe here and there, but it's like trying to find a rare bird or something. Predominantly CSM. Tasmanian casinos have shoe games on weekends for very specific times. I'm not too sure about the state of BJ in Alice Springs and Darwin. Adelaide is CSM, and Perth is CSM.

    So as you can see, our choices are terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassie View Post
    I am still hopeful of finding Pontoon shoe in a few VIP rooms from either of these -- Adelaide, Cairns, Alice Springs, Brisbane, Sydney, and perhaps Canberra.
    Adelaide, Sydney and Brisbane are completely CSM. As for Cairns, Alice Springs and Canberra I'm not sure. Don't forget Darwin's either.

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