See the top rated post in this thread. Click here

Page 1 of 23 12311 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 13 of 287

Thread: How to Approach a Situation?

  1. #1


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No

    How to Approach a Situation?

    So I've identified a fellow AP who seemingly has a rudimentary grasp of counting but lacks the knowledge of the finer details. I say this because he'll play perfect BS but when the count gets decently good 1/2 to 3/4 through the shoe he'll jump from 1 minimum bet of $15 to the whole table of 7 boxes with $200 in each ($1400). This obviously nukes the count within a round or two, the dealer tends to mop up the low cards after the high card slog (rarely busts) and covariance with that many boxes neuters most of the advantage gleaned through ramping that he had anyway. Obviously when playing with him (it was just the two of us at the table) it meant that I couldn't capitalise on good counts that much because I'd only get 2, maybe 3 rounds in before they disappear again.

    I came close to just outright saying that if you want to spread big and be within the table limit ($500) that you're better off going to 3 boxes max instead. But it's his money and I have no right to dictate to him.

    So my question is; what would be the best way to approach this situation? It cost me quite a few advantageous rounds and although I managed to walk away with a profit that was about on par with my EV p/hr, I got the feeling that this crazy spreading of his probably cost me quite a bit of profit..

  2. #2


    4 out of 4 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Don’t play at his table. Problem solved.

  3. #3


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryemo View Post
    Don’t play at his table. Problem solved.
    Which isn't an option sadly. I should have said that.

  4. #4


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushie View Post
    Which isn't an option sadly. I should have said that.
    ... why not? Even if there is one table, come back to the casino when he isn't there. :-/ Either way, they'll probably cut him off soon so he'll be out of the question entirely before long. Doing anything with him that involves helping him improve his play strategy or making it better for your counting can only hurt (and potentially compromise) your image.

    I say, treat it like any other table with bad conditions (rules, heat, or otherwise) and leave.

    Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

  5. #5


    0 out of 2 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    The least this asshole can do is spread to table max when he goes from 1-7 squares. So, the dumb shit is underfunded too. Hate assholes like this, but remember - he's going to be looked at it, not you, assuming they know not your modus operandi. Further, dipshits like this have no common sense and can't be reasoned with, nor should you try.

    Further, from your commentary, it seems like he can back bet your square without your consent. Accordingly, continue to play, spreading low 1-2. So, the count goes skyward, he's at 7x200, and you're 1 or 2 squares at table min.

    So, split 10's, resplit if you can, deplete his high cards. Your best result is him losing 1400, regardless of your losing 15-30. He'll be pissed, and when he complains, just tell him it's your money. Even if he wins, it will aggravate him. Of course, don't forget passing your 7 v dealer 6, confidently announcing that you don't want to take his bust card. Hit your 15 v dealer 5's - think you get the gist. For extra measure, hit your 13 v dealer 5, hitting again, if possible. It will drive him nuts.

    He will simply not want to play with you. Make sure he's mentally stable before you try this gambit. Remember - with no other tables being available, he is taking your money away from you.

    If he doesn't think you're counting, you win. If he knows you are counting, he'll get the message real quick, and you still win. If all goes well, you'll eventually come to an understanding with him.

    Remember, if you're options are limited, and you're dealing with a prick, you need to be a bigger prick.

  6. #6


    0 out of 2 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Oh, and I should add - if you know he's going to be there - have a couple bowls of chill with hot sauce, some devilled eggs with a few beers prior to play. Make sure you have done stomach rumblings before joining him. Smile, non challantly as you commence play, allowing him the privledge and pleasure of partaking the joy of your essence.

    Not as a part of the gambit - if you feel a wet one coming, don't take a chance, take a bathroom break.

    You may thank Jean Luc Picard, aka Locutus of Borg, for this particular lesson in advanced tactics.
    Last edited by Freightman; 04-06-2018 at 11:14 PM.

  7. #7


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    ... why not? Even if there is one table, come back to the casino when he isn't there. :-/ Either way, they'll probably cut him off soon so he'll be out of the question entirely before long. Doing anything with him that involves helping him improve his play strategy or making it better for your counting can only hurt (and potentially compromise) your image.

    I say, treat it like any other table with bad conditions (rules, heat, or otherwise) and leave.

    Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
    I can't really go into why without giving too much sensitive information away. But yeah that's the plan.

    I think even the pit knows his "strategy" is bung. I heard the dealer ask the pit boss about whether they need to call "black action" on him and the reply was "no he's fine". And surprise surprise this guy probably lost about 3k in the session whilst I pulled approximately my EV for the session, if not slightly under.

  8. #8


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    The least this asshole can do is spread to table max when he goes from 1-7 squares. So, the dumb shit is underfunded too. Hate assholes like this, but remember - he's going to be looked at it, not you, assuming they know not your modus operandi. Further, dipshits like this have no common sense and can't be reasoned with, nor should you try.

    Further, from your commentary, it seems like he can back bet your square without your consent. Accordingly, continue to play, spreading low 1-2. So, the count goes skyward, he's at 7x200, and you're 1 or 2 squares at table min.

    So, split 10's, resplit if you can, deplete his high cards. Your best result is him losing 1400, regardless of your losing 15-30. He'll be pissed, and when he complains, just tell him it's your money. Even if he wins, it will aggravate him. Of course, don't forget passing your 7 v dealer 6, confidently announcing that you don't want to take his bust card. Hit your 15 v dealer 5's - think you get the gist. For extra measure, hit your 13 v dealer 5, hitting again, if possible. It will drive him nuts.

    He will simply not want to play with you. Make sure he's mentally stable before you try this gambit. Remember - with no other tables being available, he is taking your money away from you.

    If he doesn't think you're counting, you win. If he knows you are counting, he'll get the message real quick, and you still win. If all goes well, you'll eventually come to an understanding with him.

    Remember, if you're options are limited, and you're dealing with a prick, you need to be a bigger prick.
    I'm a nice guy (or I pretend to be at least) for cover purposes. I'd struggle to deliberately be a jerk in order to force this guy off.

    What's even more frustrating is that he doesn't use any indices whatsoever as far as I can tell. And I'm pretty sure he was using Hi-Lo, and even then it took him a good 10-15 seconds to calculate a full table lol.

    I pray to the BJ gods that he's not there during my next session.

  9. #9


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Bushie View Post
    I'm a nice guy (or I pretend to be at least) for cover purposes. I'd struggle to deliberately be a jerk in order to force this guy off.

    What's even more frustrating is that he doesn't use any indices whatsoever as far as I can tell. And I'm pretty sure he was using Hi-Lo, and even then it took him a good 10-15 seconds to calculate a full table lol.

    I pray to the BJ gods that he's not there during my next session.
    Your commentary confirms this guy is an idiot. The faster you get rid of him the better.

    I'm a nice guy as well. It's truly a flaw. However, when necessary, I dig deep and find that necessary nasty streak. However, if such is not your forte, go with the chili gambit. If the dealer takes a step back, you really know that you're being effective.

  10. #10


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    If he is back betting your square, ask him not do. Say it is a distraction. If he continues to do so, you put out a min bet and then hit until you bust. I'm sure he will get the message very quickly. Freightman's method is more subtle, but why bother to beat around the bush.

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    yep...want my phone #, too?
    Posts
    949


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Best advice...dont play his table if it bothers YOU...

    ...and everyone else..perhaps YOU are the dipshits...of course, I didn't read your lengthy posts...just know the handles....bunch of vooooodoooo MFers, for sure....she/he apparently has a larger br and brain than y'all...

    Peace & Love

  12. #12


    0 out of 2 members found this post helpful. Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    Best advice...dont play his table if it bothers YOU...

    ...and everyone else..perhaps YOU are the dipshits...of course, I didn't read your lengthy posts...just know the handles....bunch of vooooodoooo MFers, for sure....she/he apparently has a larger br and brain than y'all...

    Peace & Love
    Read all OP commentary. Further, my comments are obviously self serving vs. The Subtle as a brick shithouse dip shit taking my rounds.

  13. #13


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    ...and everyone else..perhaps YOU are the dipshits...of course, I didn't read your lengthy posts...just know the handles....bunch of vooooodoooo MFers, for sure....she/he apparently has a larger br and brain than y'all...
    That was my take when I read the OP's post. Most of it was vodoo. One example: "The dealer tends to mop up the low cards after the high card slug (rarely busts)...". A counter doesn't know where the high cards reside. Now if he was a shuffle tracker this sentence might have made more sense. The OP made several other comments that were right out of vodoo 101 ploppie logic.

    Also, isn't one of the cardinal rules that two counters shouldn't be playing at the same table so they don't look like synchronized swimmers? This reason alone should be why the OP shouldn't be playing at this table. I know when I'm playing with a person I've found out is a counter, I move fairly quickly.

Page 1 of 23 12311 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. How to approach a replenishable BR
    By ZenKinG in forum General Blackjack Forum
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 04-28-2013, 10:11 AM
  2. euphdude: A different approach to T-K-O?
    By euphdude in forum Main Forum
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 11-02-2004, 01:09 PM
  3. shogun: new approach
    By shogun in forum Blackjack Main
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 09-30-2001, 12:32 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

About Blackjack: The Forum

BJTF is an advantage player site based on the principles of comity. That is, civil and considerate behavior for the mutual benefit of all involved. The goal of advantage play is the legal extraction of funds from gaming establishments by gaining a mathematic advantage and developing the skills required to use that advantage. To maximize our success, it is important to understand that we are all on the same side. Personal conflicts simply get in the way of our goals.