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    CVBJ Heat Meter to Real Life Heat Correlation

    Well after several months of preparation, I'm getting close to embarking on my blackjack career at the casinos. One of my last steps is tons of practice on Norm's CVBJ game. (Incidentally, the built-in heat meter is an excellent tool - kudos Norm for including it). This brings me to my question to all of you seasoned players (I suppose "jackers" or "BJ'ers" are NOT preferred synonyms): can anyone give any correlation between the CVBJ Heat Meters (there are two, one for the pit heat, the other for surveillance heat) and real life heat? I know real life heat has many many variables, I'm just looking for generalities here. (BTW, my slightly camo'd betting ramp of 1:12 regularly hits surveillance heat around shoe # 4). If the pit heat meter stays in the green, am I (on average) OK? If the surveillance heat turns on, but still in the green, am I (on average) OK? Any insight would be much appreciated. -NN

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    Wow,

    While heat meters are good for pointing out plays that "raise the heat" translating those to the real world is somewhat more problematic.

    As a starter, you should realize that all heat is not created equal. The need for the pit to watch a 25 year old nerd betting 2X500 is much higher than his need to watch a 65 year old nicely dressed guy with blonde on his arm. You can extrapolate to your own circumstances and see where you fall on the persona heat meter!

    Next, heat is caused first by opportunity - The pit/surveillance has to be watching which is the reason for "black action", "table max" and "checks play" by the dealers to alert the Pit. With the occurrence of a heat event, the Pit will likely place a call to surveillance to evaluate your play. Remember, surveillance has a few people to watch a very large number of activities. It is highly unlikely that they are camped at their station watching you raise your red chip stack to $80. They will watch when told to watch.

    Now you have real heat. - Your betting will be correlated to the count to determine if you are moving your money with the advantage. Your specific plays may be evaluated to determine if they were index plays, insurance, A7 plays and others will be prime suspects. If you are determined to be a "skilled" player and this can range from novice - basic strategist - card counter, then your play history, if they have it, can be reviewed to determine what the disposition should be. Generally this ranges from nothing to the firing squad, with back off's, trespass and maybe detention in between. They likely are using software and are entering your specific plays into their system and it will determine if you are a vermin.

    And last, as ZMF says, you never have heat until you do, then it's too late.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Thanks Stealth for sharing your wisdom. You mentioned surveillance using software, which is one of my biggest concerns w/ playing at the casinos. It seems very plausible that surveillance hi-res overhead cameras are feeding table-top data to imaging software that recognizes each card's image and then calculates the True Count at any time. Couple that with RFID's in their chips and ???sensors under each bet circle?? feeding each player's bet amount to the same computer program .... and you have surveillance easily identifying each and every card counter. Even with camouflage betting, that same surveillance software could use statistics and determine betting trends with true counts. I don't know if this is indeed the case, but with today's technology, it seems very plausible. And then IF this is happening, the fact that all counters are not getting backed off means the casino's are actually allowing counting to a degree. The challenge for counters then becomes identifying how much the casino's are willing to let go. -NN

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    Just go out and play your game.

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    Stealth has some great general advice in his post above. The only thing I would add is to be extra careful about Vegas double deck (DD), and more specifically Vegas strip casinos DD games. Many of the major hotels on the strip will observe the DD games from above (EITS), and you'll never know you have heat until you see the suit (and/or security guard) behind you.
    Last edited by Bigdaddy; 04-04-2018 at 05:10 PM.

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    Stores will vary wildly. Some very tolerant and others not and for differing reasons. The heat radar is something that comes with experience. You have to experience it before you can better recognize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
    Stealth has some great general advice in his post above. The only thing I would add is to be extra careful about Vegas double deck (DD), and more specifically Vegas strip casinos DD games. Many of the major hotels on the strip will observe the DD games from above (EITS), and you'll never know you have heat until you see the suit (and/or security guard) behind you.
    Thanks Bigdaddy. Your advice is well heeded. -NN

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmybond007 View Post
    Stores will vary wildly. Some very tolerant and others not and for differing reasons. The heat radar is something that comes with experience. You have to experience it before you can better recognize it.
    Thanks 007 for your insight. As a "newbie", I'm just trying to glean as much info and "ammo" if you will before I hit the firing range. -NN

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