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    Need advice about game

    Hello everyone. I am new here.
    I used to play one zero roulette but because i am traveling right now in Latin America i started analyse and play a BJ.

    When i played in Aruba, Panama, Costa Rica normally from 10visits i lose only one visit. Was a good results.
    I always played only with continuosly suffering machine (not manual card decks)
    Dealer always took 2 cards and one open face.

    In Nicaragua they not use machines and i played by 6 hand deck. I lost hards.
    But the dealer took only one card. And if i not bust or i fished my moves, he deal himself the second hand.
    My question is: It can be that the game is not so suitable to play when dealer take only one card?
    Also because i am not card counter but i am very good at managing my bankroll. Is better play with machine and the dealer or card deck and the dealer?
    Mathematically by looking in the past i have better results with machine and the dealer.
    Hope to hear anything from professionals.

    Thank you for answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiG81 View Post
    I always played only with continuosly suffering machine (not manual card decks)
    Funny

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    Yes, machines has slightly less house edge than regular shoes. Whether the dealer take one card at the start of the hand or one card, has no effect on the house edge. The only effect is how to handle dealer BJ that comes when the dealer gets the second card. Some places they return doubles and splits and some do not. If they do not, then you have to modify your play accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    Yes, machines has slightly less house edge than regular shoes.
    I seem to remember this being the case for a Basic Strategy player, but I cannot recall why it is so. Do you have the maths/reason, offhand?

    On the other hand, it certainly means more hands played in a given period of time, meaning more money lost to the house edge over a same amount of time (disregarding any difference in house edge on a per-hand basis between the two).
    Last edited by JamesonDetroit; 03-21-2018 at 09:06 PM. Reason: Added second paragraph moments after posting.

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    MiG81,

    Any results good or bad you have experienced are due to luck (variance). You are playing games that you can not win in the long term.

    The least of your issues are the dealer not taking a hold card or hand shuffling versus automatic shuffle machines. To attempt to answer your questions about which is better, you should realize that the answers will be which is less negative, not which is better.

    The best possible move to "manage you bankroll" in this situation is to not play.

    Unless you count cards or find some other means to get a mathematical advantage you can not win in the long run. You always have the opportunity to "get lucky" and win for short periods, but that concept will bite you soon.

    Do not mean to be a contrarian but the facts are the facts.

    Good luck
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    MiG81,
    The best possible move to "manage you bankroll" in this situation is to not play.

    Unless you count cards or find some other means to get a mathematical advantage you can not win in the long run. You always have the opportunity to "get lucky" and win for short periods, but that concept will bite you soon.
    It sounds to me like he's just asking for advice to make things the least bad, not making any assumption that he can win in the long run. Sounds like he enjoys playing blackjack and making his bankroll last as long as it can (though perhaps I'm misunderstanding). I appreciate someone who is candid about not having an edge and just wanting to know the BEST bad scenario for him to play in.

    Nevertheless, I suppose your emphasis on him playing a long-term losing game can't hurt. Just didn't want him to feel attacked for coming here for advice on how to lose slower, heh.

    Thanks for all your posts, I've learned much.

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    Well thank you for everyone's comment.

    Main question is that from my experience mathematically i had more often wins when played with machine.
    So i am asking is anyone experience the same? Or it its just unlucky day?

    How i manage my bankroll i can share:

    Bet 5$ if win bet again 5$.
    Bet 5$ if lose bet again but 10$
    Next bet is always 10$ until i win but everytime lose add +5$ (one chip) until reached 25$ bet.
    Once reached +25$ i am looking for exit. Means once i am in the profit even one chip i am going to start over and reduce my bet to 5$ again.

    Another thing in case i reach 50$ bet (+10chip)
    Next increasing level is additional +25$ (i bet 75$-100$-125$ and so on)
    And increasing until table limit which is normally here is 300$ max.

    So as you understand guys my bankroll normally stands around 3000$. So i lost 1900$ last night. It was the biggest loss for me at BJ. But i still in profit with BJ in general.

    So just to remind the topic.
    Why on machines mathematically or if to look at statistic is better results?

    I am writing all results in my book and i know when i lost and when i won with comments.

    Thank you
    MiG

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    You will never notice the difference between playing against a CSM or a hand-shuffled shoe over the course of your lifetime. Any difference -- which I'll explain in a minute -- is so small that your personal results can't possibly confirm a statistical difference.

    When cards are dealt to a stop card, rather than for a specific predetermined number of rounds, a bias for the last hand or two, referred to as the "cut card effect" (CCE) is introduced, which makes those last hands less favorable than the average hand. Since a CSM shuffles, more or less, after every hand that is dealt, the CCE is eliminated. However, as mentioned above, the speed of play is faster with the machine, so, in the end, if you play a fixed amount of time, such as an hour, you will actually wind up worse with the CSM than with the hand-shuffled shoe.

    Don

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    Continuous Suffering Machines... nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiG81 View Post
    But i still in profit with BJ in general.
    @Stealth: I stand corrected. :-P He does think he's profiting long term.

    @MIG: Like Stealth and others said, you don't profit from blackjack in general, nor can you without advantage play techniques like counting cards. If you're "up" for your lifetime so far, it's due to luck, not your betting system. The best thing you can do is learn perfect Basic Strategy and when you win money, spend it on things to remove it from your bankroll. That is the best way to get value out of a bankroll that will otherwise be taken by the casinos eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesonDetroit View Post
    The best thing you can do is learn perfect Basic Strategy and when you win money, spend it on things to remove it from your bankroll. That is the best way to get value out of a bankroll that will otherwise be taken by the casinos eventually.
    The best way is not to play a disadvantage game in the first place. The longer you play such a game the more likely it is you will lose. Eventually the amount of time played will all but assure your entire BR will be lost.

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    As i mention in the first post. I am roulette player. And right now i am in latin america. Here i can not play roulette. So i started to play BJ in Aruba-Panama-Costa Rica and right now i am in Nicaragua. Well when i left europe i took 3000$ with me. At this moment i travel already 2 month and BJ paid for my trip.
    But jusy yesterday after two month i had a bad day. Lost 50% of my bank.

    I know basic strategy very well and if i need to use it sometimes i look at it when i play.

    Yes i am new at BJ but i am good with mathematic strategies which give me a little bit advance agains odds.
    Also i not afraid to bet big.

    I know about long term playing.
    But i like to increase my bankroll from minimum:

    50 turn into 100
    100 turn into 200
    200 turn into 400 and so on.
    I no need to sit there hours. Just come and do some bets. Like 15-30min max.

    This is how i play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    You will never notice the difference between playing against a CSM or a hand-shuffled shoe over the course of your lifetime. Any difference -- which I'll explain in a minute -- is so small that your personal results can't possibly confirm a statistical difference.

    When cards are dealt to a stop card, rather than for a specific predetermined number of rounds, a bias for the last hand or two, referred to as the "cut card effect" (CCE) is introduced, which makes those last hands less favorable than the average hand. Since a CSM shuffles, more or less, after every hand that is dealt, the CCE is eliminated. However, as mentioned above, the speed of play is faster with the machine, so, in the end, if you play a fixed amount of time, such as an hour, you will actually wind up worse with the CSM than with the hand-shuffled shoe.

    Don
    Thank you. This is correct answer which i am looking for!

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