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Thread: Insurance Heat... Only take even money?

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    I already said too much. You don't have to fool them. You only have to make them comfortable letting you play. If you play like a computer you won't last long.

    Only stupid casinos worry about every counter or suspected counter. They lose far more to worrying about counters than counters would cost them.

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    "Suppose you have $75 out. Insure for $25 as opposed to $37.50. Saves the dealer from making change. IF they don't have a 10 under, then $50 is taken away"

    Huh?? Why would that be? You just said you insure for $25. If they don't have a 10 under, you lose your $25 insurance bet. Why would they take $50 away? Where would they get the extra $25 from??

    "and you have $50 to play out the hand."

    You're not making any sense at all.

    "If dealer has a 10 under, then you are even. Correct?"

    No, not correct. You insured for LESS than the proper amount to break even. If a ten is under, your $25 insurance bet wins $50, but you lose your original $75 bet, so you've lost $25.

    "Now, if you have $100 out, that's going to cause a think tank to insure for less. If you insure $25 and dealer doesn't have it, then $75 is lost"

    Same weird thinking. If you bet $25 insurance, how do you lose $75??

    "and you only have $50 to play with. IF dealer does have it, then $50 is lost. Correct?"

    You are completely lost. Nothing you're writing makes any sense.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    But wouldn't they also take a $25 chip from your stack since you only insured $50?
    Have you ever been to a casino?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    You got me to thinking. My thought is not to slow the game down. Better yet, speed it up at those moments of interest. Suppose you have $75 out.
    If you don't want to slow the game down, don't bet an odd amount. Keep you bets in even numbers and an insurance payoff is much easier, and less prone to error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    The concept is Only fools double for less (when double is warranted). Extending the concept, only fools I sure for less. So, either your bad enough, or look bad enough.
    right - got it - thanks. i guess that is the underlying theme of all great cover: be perceived as an idiot. I'm sure Sun Tzu said something about that. He was talking about war, but really, we all know he was talking about advantage play at cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Now, is there a better time to take a partial than to take full insurance?
    Are you reading posts in the thread? I will PM you because I am trying very hard not to say it in the open forum while giving enough info that a little thought tells you when.

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    Several times I have insured a blackjack against a dealer ace for less. I would say about half of the time the dealers didn't know how to handle this. In fact, when the pit boss was called over he didn't know how either.

    If you want to stir up a commotion, try insuring a blackjack for less.

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    "I confused myself because when you insure half, the entire amount stays in play if dealer doesnt have it.. Just the insurance bet is lost."

    The same is true if you insure for less!! Only the (smaller) insurance bet is lost if the dealer doesn't have it. They can't reach into your original bet and take more!!

    Don

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    Wow, thanks everyone for all the insight on this. Gives me much to play around with in sims, and additional options to use for cover (both more effective and better for EV).

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    Doesn't the saying go:

    "Counters split 10s. Idiots split 5s".

    I've always viewed those who accept even money as the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushie View Post
    Doesn't the saying go:

    "Counters split 10s. Idiots split 5s".

    I've always viewed those who accept even money as the latter.
    Even money is the same thing as insurance and if the count calls for it, even money is the correct play.

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    Aye, and one of the "correct" plays that is most unassuming to do, since most ploppies take even money every time, not to mention it takes less than 2 seconds for the dealer to pay it out so it breezes past rather than drawing any attention (or so I imagine).

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