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    Does Reko work best in single deck or 6 deck or doesn't matter.

    https://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm
    If REKO's BC PE IC Ease are all better than hi-lo, why so many people learn hi-lo? Any benefits of Hi-lo other than a lot of people use this method?

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    REKO works. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    REKO works. Period.
    This answer does nothing to answer the OP's question. He isn't asking does it work. He's asking why does it work better than HiLo. And why don't people use it since it's easier than HiLo. I've never paid attention to REKO until this post. I can see why the OP is asking his question after looking at the chart.

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    REKO is better in results. It is also easy to use but, becomes increasingly more taxing on memory when trying to learn indices for all different deck situations as you need different ones for every game. HiLo and REKO are both still basic counts and will provide roughly the same results. One of the biggest benefits of HiLo is the fact that a lot of people use it and information is widely available for almost all niche questions you may have.

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    Reko only uses running count. YOU don't have to bother yourselves with deck estimations.
    I -myself- just use running counts.

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    That helps. Thanks! Looks like I'll be sticking with hilo, with my hybrid side counting aces and 7s method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by San Jose Bella View Post
    If REKO's BC PE IC Ease are all better than hi-lo, why so many people learn hi-lo?
    Because the for count bullies pound Hilo down everyones throat. They always have on every forum. This forum is nice in that other views can be voiced and most people won't get upset and go on personal crusades to bash those that bring opposing views that give the discussion a complete picture of all perspectives. Of course some count bullies still prowl this forum. But they are few. Most agree what count is best varies by the individual. It is hard to argue what count is best on a computer. One count is always at the top. But we are not computers. And you won't last long playing in a casino like a computer would play for high enough stakes.
    Quote Originally Posted by San Jose Bella View Post
    Any benefits of Hi-lo other than a lot of people use this method?
    The biggest benefit is info on it is so plentiful. Most books assume the user will be using Hilo. The bulk of the info is Hilo centric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Because the for count bullies pound Hilo down everyones throat. They always have on every forum. This forum is nice in that other views can be voiced and most people won't get upset and go on personal crusades to bash those that bring opposing views that give the discussion a complete picture of all perspectives.
    I agree with this statement Three! I brought up side counting aces with HiLo on another forum and got my head handed to me. How could I waste my time doing something so meaningless? Count bullies is a good way to describe these people.

    On this forum, I got some decent answers and nobody questioned why I'd do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by San Jose Bella View Post
    https://www.qfit.com/card-counting.htm
    If REKO's BC PE IC Ease are all better than hi-lo, why so many people learn hi-lo? Any benefits of Hi-lo other than a lot of people use this method?
    Wonging is easier.
    Ramp and IRC don't change with number of decks.
    Numbers are smaller and/or more often positives.

    Incidental but REKO is wrong with SP21 (EOR of 7 is near 0)

    BTW :
    Playing Efficiency (as defined by Griffin) is not relevant to unbalanced counting systems
    Compare with sims for YOUR game.
    For information, I play REKO or EZ-TKO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    Wonging is easier.
    Ramp and IRC don't change with number of decks.
    Numbers are smaller and/or more often positives.
    Are you saying that Wonging is easier using Hi-lo comparing to REKO? Wonging is an important aspect of my game, I rarely sit through a shoe(Wong out at TC -1 or lower). If Hi-lo provides higher EV in Wonging situation, Hi-lo should be better, or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty View Post
    REKO is better in results. It is also easy to use but, becomes increasingly more taxing on memory when trying to learn indices for all different deck situations as you need different ones for every game. HiLo and REKO are both still basic counts and will provide roughly the same results. One of the biggest benefits of HiLo is the fact that a lot of people use it and information is widely available for almost all niche questions you may have.
    Even for Hi-Lo, we do have to remember different indexes for different deck situations, so I don't see it as an advantage of Hi-lo.

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    reko ( KO) is originally designed for 4.5/6 ( S17 ,crappy/ mediocre game) . hi lo is probably more effective in deeper pen games ( not many around) reko if played against crappy rules (h17) would likely not as effective ( slightly). reko can be used for tracking , so does hi lo . hi lo is easier though and maybe easier for other techniques i think. for reko (ko0 you are supposed to change your betting ramp slightly according to the rules but i doubt it is gonna make a big difference .

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    You're right, easier is not the right term.
    REKO use a compromise index.
    For instance, 6 decks, RC=-14 wich mean an advantage of about

    After 3 decks: -1.50%
    After 4 decks: -3.00%
    After 5 decks: -7.50%

    Intellectually disturbing.
    My intellectually efficient solution is to use a variable RC at least for Wongout.



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