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    Session Profits?

    Hello all,

    New to the forum, thanks for all of the wonder insight and information here. I have scrolled a bunch of threads and did a few searches to see if my question has been addressed. If I missed it, my apologies.

    As a recreational player who sticks to basic strategy I do fairly decent respective to my goals and generally (75 % of the time) walk out with money or even. Admittedly not substantial gains, which is why I am here. So the question is what does one do with profits to continue amassing his/her bankroll while protecting against a losing session with hopes of higher stakes.

    Being recreational and not counting on this money as my livelihood, I was thinking 1/3 splits into bankroll, savings, and spending money. Being respectful, I am aware that as I am not counting my time (and money) would be better spent learning and practicing. But the question still has relevance assuming the latter. I appreciate your thoughts.

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    Good thoughtful question from a newbie. It really depends on what your long term recreational goals are.

    The technical answer is 100% reinvestment. So, how big is your bankroll, what are your stakes, what are the rules and deck pen on the game that you're playing. We can do some sims for you. Lots of variables.

    I never spent a dime till the roll hit 30k. Then of course, at least for me, the house vig that goes to the wife. So, like a lot of things, it depends.

    Oh, the best answers come from the shortest questions.

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    True and sorry for being long winded.

    Bankroll is a pitiful $600 (of their money) started from $100. I play either $10 or $15 as that is usually all I can get. 6-8 deck shoe with decent pen.

    The goal and process at this point is $150 buy and look to double up and leave. Build the roll and learn a system then try $25 stake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daselin View Post
    True and sorry for being long .
    Apologies, that was designed for elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daselin View Post
    True and sorry for being long winded.

    Bankroll is a pitiful $600 (of their money) started from $100. I play either $10 or $15 as that is usually all I can get. 6-8 deck shoe with decent pen.

    The goal and process at this point is $150 buy and look to double up and leave. Build the roll and learn a system then try $25 stake.
    Isn't that fascinating. My bankroll was funded with $600 of seed money. It is possible to make a lot of money.

    In any event, with a small $600 bankroll, your potential risk if ruin is huge, so, entire reinvestment. Don't know if it's rep,enishable or not, but that leads to a series of other questions. Good luck.

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    Given that you are a losing blackjack player the last thing you should be doing is trying to play higher stakes. So put your winnings into some sort ETF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daselin View Post
    Hello all,

    New to the forum, thanks for all of the wonder insight and information here. I have scrolled a bunch of threads and did a few searches to see if my question has been addressed. If I missed it, my apologies.

    As a recreational player who sticks to basic strategy I do fairly decent respective to my goals and generally (75 % of the time) walk out with money or even. Admittedly not substantial gains, which is why I am here. So the question is what does one do with profits to continue amassing his/her bankroll while protecting against a losing session with hopes of higher stakes.

    Being recreational and not counting on this money as my livelihood, I was thinking 1/3 splits into bankroll, savings, and spending money. Being respectful, I am aware that as I am not counting my time (and money) would be better spent learning and practicing. But the question still has relevance assuming the latter. I appreciate your thoughts.
    I'm a little surprised by the answers up until now. As a basic strategy player, you sholdn't worry about what to do with profits, because, long-term, you aren't going to have any. ZERO. Nothing. Of course, you will have winning sessions, but you will have losing sessions as well, and, ultimately, you will lose your $600. ALL of it. Any other answers are silly.

    You can't win in the long run playing BS, with a -0.5% player edge. You can 't grow a bankroll playing a negative-edge game.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I'm a little surprised by the answers up until now. As a basic strategy player, you sholdn't worry about what to do with profits, because, long-term, you aren't going to have any. ZERO. Nothing. Of course, you will have winning sessions, but you will have losing sessions as well, and, ultimately, you will lose your $600. ALL of it. Any other answers are silly.

    You can't win in the long run playing BS, with a -0.5% player edge. You can 't grow a bankroll playing a negative-edge game.

    Don
    why anyone would know about counting and play a game without counting is fucking baffling

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I'm a little surprised by the answers up until now. As a basic strategy player, you sholdn't worry about what to do with profits, because, long-term, you aren't going to have any. ZERO. Nothing. Of course, you will have winning sessions, but you will have losing sessions as well, and, ultimately, you will lose your $600. ALL of it. Any other answers are silly.

    You can't win in the long run playing BS, with a -0.5% player edge. You can 't grow a bankroll playing a negative-edge game.

    Don
    ^^^ What he said!

    Maybe you really have won 75% of your sessions, that's only possible short-term. You are playing with a disadvantage. Consider it disposable money that you use for recreation and will lose, eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    ^^^ What he said!

    Maybe you really have won 75% of your sessions, that's only possible short-term. You are playing with a disadvantage. Consider it disposable money that you use for recreation and will lose, eventually.
    It's actually very counterproductive that he has forced his sessions into 75% winning ones, because it gives a terrible false sense of security. Through double-up progressions and somewhat mindless quit-the-minute-you-get-ahead-even-one-unit strategies, you can actually achieve a preponderance of winning sessions -- but to what avail? It's just mental masturbation, and playing a losing game is playing a losing game, no matter how you slice up the contrived "session" outcomes.

    Don

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    I do not utilize a system = I am going to lose.......check
    I lose 1 of 4 times = I should not aspire for higher stakes and should not play at all.....check
    Over the undefined "long term", I am disadvantaged and will lose everything.....check

    However, when I enter a casino with $150 and leave with $300, I should take the "profit" $150 and...........(___)? I will go with 100 % reinvestment and thank you Freightman. Geez, as a triathlete I thought we were elitist. Thanks for all the insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I'm a little surprised by the answers up until now. As a basic strategy player, you sholdn't worry about what to do with profits, because, long-term, you aren't going to have any. ZERO. Nothing. Of course, you will have winning sessions, but you will have losing sessions as well, and, ultimately, you will lose your $600. ALL of it. Any other answers are silly.

    You can't win in the long run playing BS, with a -0.5% player edge. You can 't grow a bankroll playing a negative-edge game.

    Don
    I missed it, assumed the line was a basic count with no indices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daselin View Post
    I do not utilize a system = I am going to lose.......check
    I lose 1 of 4 times = I should not aspire for higher stakes and should not play at all.....check
    Over the undefined "long term", I am disadvantaged and will lose everything.....check

    However, when I enter a casino with $150 and leave with $300, I should take the "profit" $150 and...........(___)? I will go with 100 % reinvestment and thank you Freightman. Geez, as a triathlete I thought we were elitist. Thanks for all the insight.
    Ignore my advice. I assumed a basic count with no indices. No Count means no lng term profit. Just blow your winnings GD, bests the house getting it.

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