Opp count bet ramp for 8 decks.

**hicount** · 02-02-2018, 07:57 PM

Just recently learned they opp count after reading two articles by Arnold snyder. In the second article entitled improving the opp count or something to this effect he shows a table with an optimal bet ramp for a 6 deck game.

Anyone can point me to where I can find same table for an 8 deck game?

thanks

**Gramazeka** · 02-02-2018, 08:44 PM

Qfit.com
CVCX

**hicount** · 02-02-2018, 10:21 PM

Not sure I understand the analogy or hint of your response.

**Freightman** · 02-03-2018, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by hicount

Not sure I understand the analogy or hint of your response.

Oppositions betting requires a strong bankroll coupled with a solid nderstanding of shoe description. Essentially you are continuing to ramp up in a declining Count situation.

**Phoebe** · 02-03-2018, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by hicount

Not sure I understand the analogy or hint of your response.

CVCX and CVData are softwares from Norm.
You can buy it on qfit.com
Gramazeka thought that CVCX could generate a ramp for OPP
It's wrong
Only CVData can.

The relevance of OPP is irrelevant.

**Norm** · 02-03-2018, 04:34 AM

OPP is a very poor count. I'd suggest learning a different count.

**ferenc11** · 02-03-2018, 05:00 AM

Is REKO stronger Norm?

**Norm** · 02-03-2018, 05:47 AM

Just about anything is stronger. Much stronger.

**Freightman** · 02-03-2018, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Three

Now, with the you need a stronger count, Norm is starting to sound like ZMF. LoL

Joking aside I agree with Norm.

There is an enormous difference. Norm is not blowing hi Opt 2 up our asses.

**Phoebe** · 02-03-2018, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

Just about anything is stronger. Much stronger.

I agree.
But to answer the next question of OP, Ace/five is worse.
And I strongly recommend to begin with REKO before moving to something else (or not)

**Freightman** · 02-03-2018, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Three

Lighten up Francis, so you can get the humor. Norm has never ever pushed or bashed any count. So it is funny to say his first makes him sound like ZMF's constant pushing of Hiopt2/ASC and knocking of simpler counts. It obviously want right over your head as is evidenced by your comment.

I am thinking of starting to push higher level counts again because of all you comments about playing with your balls when you play. Someone has to balance the scales.

I got it - no problem. Balancing the scales is exactly what Im doing. I encourage your participation in this gladiator sport. Advance warning though - I got dibs on the balls. You'll have to develop your own body part - well - u know what I mean

Speaking of which, Bubbles asked a legit question. My new product line includes inflatable balls. Buy 2, and I throw in a scrotum.

**Phoebe** · 02-03-2018, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Three

Norm has never ever pushed or bashed any count. So it is funny to say his first makes him sound like ZMF's constant pushing of Hiopt2/ASC and knocking of simpler counts.

Very different.
Norm has constantly bashed OPP/Speed Count but has never push any count including its great REKO.

**seriousplayer** · 02-03-2018, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

Just about anything is stronger. Much stronger.

Hi-lo, REKO and KO are all stronger than OPP/Speed Count. If you are looking for a strong and powerful card counting system with complex power but want to keep the count as simple as possible I would recommend the UBZ II or an unbalanced level 2 count. Even the unbalanced version of UBZ II outperforms Hi-lo full in SCORE. You can also further upgrade the system to play blackjack professionally.