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    Longevity and many things to consider...

    I would consider myself very capable of "spotting a counter" as has been professed here by others. I would then ask how do you know he/she is not a counter?

    You see, it is the actual counter that you cannot readily identify that we all strive to be, but few achieve.

    By understanding dealers, pit bosses and surveillance you can begin to implement techniques to become less "identifiable as a counter". These concepts must be coupled with a technical understanding of the game (all that math shit) and its dimensions or the cost of such will become prohibitive.

    You will find few categorical truths in your search for these answers and you must come to realize that your judgement, while in the circumstances, is the ultimate control over which techniques (but learn the techniques) you use. Blackjack operates in a world of probability with few absolutes, and no matter how hard we try, we can only predict trends, predicting events is a fools errand.

    All of the books have varying list of techniques to use but I have never seem a composite list.

    We might consider using this thread to identify all these but then we would have created a very valuable manifesto for casino management to our detriment.

    I suggest you PM them to me, then I will assemble the list into a document that I will make available to all that request it.

    Other thoughts and suggestions are welcome.

    Stealth
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    Interesting post. I'm sure I've seen loads.
    The 2 toughest ones to spot
    - best act I ever came across. Started to giggle as it came to me. Strong player.
    - a poor counter who was masked by heavy duty sudebetting, and poor ramping. Far from optimal, but I told him, correctly, what count system he was using by his methodology. Nice guy.

    Regardless of how good we hide it, we can be ferreted out. It's a good thing I don't have that job - otherwise I'd be feeling sorry for you poor bastards.

    Since we can't hide it, have to masquerade it. In other words, look like a lousy counter. I can send u some stuff, however, you have alluded to similar things that I have, and I kinda sorta think you know what I'm talking about. If not, I'll send you something.

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    To add to my prior comments, I've identified shuffletrackers, ace locators, shitty counters, good counters, bullshit artists and thoughtful idiots. Half of the shuffletrackers and all of the ace locators, from what I've seen, were substandard material from a Counting perspective.

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    I find the best act is to just be myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    I find the best act is to just be myself.
    I can assure you that this does not work with the majority.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    tbh i usually just get belligerently drunk on as many free drinks as possible. being a high functioning alcoholic for years has made keeping count trivial even when blasted.

    I believe this is afforded me good cover

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    Quote Originally Posted by weballinoutacontro View Post
    tbh i usually just get belligerently drunk on as many free drinks as possible. being a high functioning alcoholic for years has made keeping count trivial even when blasted.

    I believe this is afforded me good cover
    I've done that twice. At GN some years back. I'll get blasted quick on wine, beer, or whiskey, but I seem to be immune to kahlua. Had lots of them, with dealer cautioning me - good for her - that they want me drunk. IM reasonably sure I was spot on, but really don't know for sure.

    Another time locally. I parked at the casino, played, wife picked me up to go to a biz meeting at a really expensive Italian place a few blocks away, had several glasses of (in my defence, it was really good wine, and all if my objectives were achieved) red wine, wife dropped me off at the casino, played, letting the pit know I was blasted. I told the dealer I was pissed, on purpose. He said I was playing fine - I knew I was. Anyways, a couple of hours later, I didn't feel as if I was ready to get behind the wheel, so my older boy came to get me to take me home. We went for a nosh. Fun night, lost a few bucks which was great as I needed a loss. Oh, and I'm a real nice drunk if and when I get that way.

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    Reminds me of a funny thing that happened a while back. I was playing the last spot at third base and there was one spot open to my right, so I'm thinking this'll do - as soon as the count crosses +2, I'll spread to two hands. So the count gets to +2 and I move to place a bet in the open spot and smack right into the player on my right who was doing the exact same thing (spreading to the open spot on his left). It was like the three stooges - like Moe and Larry jumping after a $50 bill.

    So I guess we both spotted a counter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaddy View Post
    Reminds me of a funny thing that happened a while back. I was playing the last spot at third base and there was one spot open to my right, so I'm thinking this'll do - as soon as the count crosses +2, I'll spread to two hands. So the count gets to +2 and I move to place a bet in the open spot and smack right into the player on my right who was doing the exact same thing (spreading to the open spot on his left). It was like the three stooges - like Moe and Larry jumping after a $50 bill.

    So I guess we both spotted a counter
    So who got the spot? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthat16 View Post
    So who got the spot? :P
    Yes - I was waiting for that question. The gent that I banged into was very courteous and asked the player to his right if he could move over a spot so as to allow both of us to play two hands. So we finished the shoe banging a high count together (not with great success unfortunately). He was a cool customer - never flinched or winked, etc. he just did his thing....

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    On the rare occasions I've run into a counter at the same table as me, I'll notice not only that they're counting but also how accurate their count is. You start figuring it out as soon as your bets seem to correlate. I've seen a few of these people that were less than stellar, essentially no real threat to the casino, as their count was sloppy and they made numerous errors. It's not like I want to hang and chat or anything, not like I'm going to say who I am even if they say they are a counter or engage me in conversation. The best thing to do is to plan your exit to another table at the least and depart to casino "B" at most.

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    Tarzan +1

    I will not remain at a table where someone else is

    trying to count cards, and yes, as Tarzan implied,

    the vast majority of the time the counter is plainly

    amateurish, and I admit that I initially 'get a kick'

    out of watching their clumsy attempts at Bet-Sizing

    and the inaccuracy evident in their playing of the

    less-than-obvious hand matchups.

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    Weballinoutacontro, if you were to use spaces between the words in your online name, where would they be? I'm having difficulty figuring out whether you play poker online or that you (and your friends ) can't inhibit primal urges.

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