A brief trip Las Vegas trip report and OSN

[Goatlife]

I also really think you should consider how much blackjack plays an important role in ur life. Take the shame out of it. You have state your bored and in a sexless marriage. I think the blackjack plays a bigger part in ur life ur not giving it homage. Use it to make money not to distract u from life. Ur 68 enjoy ur rest of ur Years here and try to get to the root of ur insecurities and not use gambling to distract you with what's wrong in ur life.

You have 60k no reason not to bet 2x300 at this point. Now u can play 50 min games if the game is good. That will open up more playable games to u.

[Stealth]

To newbies and the like, this forum provides good advice on all AP topics (counting, BR, etc.) except on playing rated and using players cards. I would still say that using a players card is not harmful and the small comps are still beneficial. Doing it as I did when I was starting out and having significant losing sessions (which I consider a cost of tuition) and making mistakes helps establish you as not being a polished AP and the benefits that can last a long time. Should they eventually catch on to you, I am not sure the OSN listing by a casino in your state will have an effect on your play in other states. Course, if your ultimate goal is t play high stakes BJ, its probably best you play those high stakes games as an anonymous player.

You are the most unqualified person I can think of to give advice about OSN and players cards. Your comments are inaccurate, and your ignorance of how the surveillance systems work is amazing.


Do you really think OSN exist to ignore your play? Why do you think it does exist?

I have been backed off or trespassed from way over a dozen casinos and I assure you your perspective is wrong and giving such advice to new players is even more wrong.

[Goatlife]

To newbies and the like, this forum provides good advice on all AP topics (counting, BR, etc.) except on playing rated and using players cards. I would still say that using a players card is not harmful and the small comps are still beneficial. Doing it as I did when I was starting out and having significant losing sessions (which I consider a cost of tuition) and making mistakes helps establish you as not being a polished AP and the benefits that can last a long time. Should they eventually catch on to you, I am not sure the OSN listing by a casino in your state will have an effect on your play in other states. Course, if your ultimate goal is t play high stakes BJ, its probably best you play those high stakes games as an anonymous player.

You are the most unqualified person I can think of to give advice about OSN and players cards. Your comments are inaccurate, and your ignorance of how the surveillance systems work is amazing.


Do you really think OSN exist to ignore your play? Why do you think it does exist?

I have been backed off or trespassed from way over a dozen casinos and I assure you your perspective is wrong and giving such advice to new players is even more wrong.

are u talking to me?

[Goatlife]

I fully believe if ur max bet and less than 2x300 and ur not playing complete and utter sweatshops and I haven't already won 25k from a store osn or biometrica will have little influence on ur bottom line as a counter.

[Goatlife]

I fully believe if ur max bet and less than 2x300 and ur not playing complete and utter sweatshops and I haven't already won 25k from a store osn or biometrica will have little influence on ur bottom line as a counter.

and let's reiterate. Vegas is ok for counting fri- Sunday cause there busier but it's still not nearly as good as the rest of the country.

[Freightman]

are u talking to me?

He's talking to Zee

[ZeeBabar]

To newbies and the like, this forum provides good advice on all AP topics (counting, BR, etc.) except on playing rated and using players cards. I would still say that using a players card is not harmful and the small comps are still beneficial. Doing it as I did when I was starting out and having significant losing sessions (which I consider a cost of tuition) and making mistakes helps establish you as not being a polished AP and the benefits that can last a long time. Should they eventually catch on to you, I am not sure the OSN listing by a casino in your state will have an effect on your play in other states. Course, if your ultimate goal is t play high stakes BJ, its probably best you play those high stakes games as an anonymous player.

You are the most unqualified person I can think of to give advice about OSN and players cards. Your comments are inaccurate, and your ignorance of how the surveillance systems work is amazing.


Do you really think OSN exist to ignore your play? Why do you think it does exist?

I have been backed off or trespassed from way over a dozen casinos and I assure you your perspective is wrong and giving such advice to new players is even more wrong.

Stealth (and others): I am on a forum where I know all of you pros can and have helped me with a lot of stuff related to playing Blackjack. I am not the sort who believes everything I read and thus I test out what I have read. In all matters of count, betting, money management and strategy, I have found the forum pros correct. However, in just one area, I have not yet found any evidence to support the idea that playing rated is bad. I have found that playing rated does reduce heat, that the longer you play rated, the less heat you face. When I pull out a dozen plus cards (MLife, Station, Tropicana, Isle, Pinnacle, Sugar House etc.) and search for the Mlife or CET card to hand over to the pit, they immediately relax.

I have also heard that playing rated is a NO but for most of 3 plus years and as recent as a week ago, I have benefited from it. Despite being on OSN, a major property comped me a great room for 3 nights instead of a Motel 6 room if I had to pay. For 3 plus years, I have had free rooms in a number of places (means some 100 comped nights, substantial), free food, even a discounted flight (Biloxi) and more. I regularly (sometimes 3-4 nights each week) bring excellent comped food in carry out boxes home and my family enjoys a gourmet meal.

Forum pros have said that getting on OSN means the end of a whole lot of casinos. 2-3 weeks after getting my picture on OSN, I was comped a room by one of the largest chains in Las Vegas. I tested out whether I would be escorted out of the door if I handed my card after being placed on OSN and that also did not happen.

I am NOT saying that you or others are wrong. You may still be right. I dont know why it bothers so many that I am running this test and reporting the results. Its possible that times have changed and casinos want players to have a players card more for the purpose of building loyalty, sending offers to get you to come and play, perhaps because the competition has intensified.

I am also not sure that an OSN listing by a small casino in the Midwest is going to cause a much more competent casino or chain to disregard their own records and long term opinion and bar someone. Maybe my OSN listing led them to watch me play, decided that my nlow stakes and small bet spread and max bet were no threat to them.

[ZeeBabar]

I also really think you should consider how much blackjack plays an important role in ur life. Take the shame out of it. You have state your bored and in a sexless marriage. I think the blackjack plays a bigger part in ur life ur not giving it homage. Use it to make money not to distract u from life. Ur 68 enjoy ur rest of ur Years here and try to get to the root of ur insecurities and not use gambling to distract you with what's wrong in ur life.

You have 60k no reason not to bet 2x300 at this point. Now u can play 50 min games if the game is good. That will open up more playable games to u.

SCG, thanks. I wish I could play comfortably at $50 min. games. Its where I admire you and others the most. Having struggled for the legal tender most of my life, its tough for me to place larger bets, tough to have a losing session where I have lost more than $1k. I spent 3 days in Las Vegas, won $1290, yesterday in an hour session locally, I lost $1350. I drove home cussing myself (what the fuck did you go to Las Vegas for if you brought $1290 from LV to give to a local casino?). Lifelong habits are hard to overcome.

[Stealth]

Zee, Feel free to dismiss my, and others, advice about this and other subjects. I really don't care what you do.

I take strong exception to your posting this bullshit for new players to see and believe. As I have said, you are free to do as you please, but telling others its OK is just wrong and ignorant.

[21forme]

If one ever will play at high enough stakes playing rated is bad. Once you play for those stakes you will understand why.

I don't agree with this. It is much more dangerous playing rated at low stakes because you get virtually nothing for your play other than risking your name, and by the time you "graduate" to higher stakes, your name is toast. Some people may high five themselves for free Chinese dinners, but let's be real about it.

It is much more difficult to play high stakes unrated as that causes higher scrutiny. OTOH, at high stakes there is more opportunity for cover plays and still make a decent hourly EV.

[Ustonzen]

I don't agree with this. It is much more dangerous playing rated at low stakes because you get virtually nothing for your play other than risking your name, and by the time you "graduate" to higher stakes, your name is toast. Some people may high five themselves for free Chinese dinners, but let's be real about it.

It is much more difficult to play high stakes unrated as that causes higher scrutiny. OTOH, at high stakes there is more opportunity for cover plays and still make a decent hourly EV.

Zee hit it up keep doing what youre doing - its a fun experiment and we are all bettered for your reporting results (in both entertainment and information) you are a canary in coal mine and we honor this service

If a newb is listening to zee they have bigger problems then playing rated..

[ZeeBabar]

T3 is probably right that if your goal is making a living off BJ, of earning $30k plus a year, playing rated may be dumb. However, there are a bell of a lot of part time players and recreational players and so far, I see no reason for them to not play rated. You can also selectively play anonymously when you wish.

21forme is full of shit. Competition is so intense that meal comps are is easy for red chip players in most places outside of Las Vegas. I am an example of someone who has played for 3+ years rated.

Now that I am in the OSN, I will most likely play anonymously more oftem.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

"instead of a Motel 6 room if I had to pay."

If you cannot afford to pay for a decent Hotel room e.g. Extended Stay America,
(a fine choice), Wyndham, or Marriott, you have no right playing BJ while claiming
you have real BJ skills.
Your attitude is profoundly idiotic in this, like most, matters. Only a pathological
gambler can play BJ at the light-green level and then punish himself by staying at
a "flea-bag" motel, especially at your advanced age. IF you cannot fathom just
how "sick" this behavior is, you are beyond hope! "I Pity The Fool!" (by Mister T.)