Are back rooms illegal?

**paydatman** · 01-19-2018, 09:09 AM

New to all this, but do they still try to back room players who absolutely refuse to go back there with them?

**Meistro123** · 01-19-2018, 10:55 AM

Forcible confinement is a crime. Asking someone to come with you to a room is not.

**21forme** · 01-19-2018, 10:59 AM

Some places, yes. If you're not suspected of a crime and they forcibly detain you against your will, you can sue for damages.

This does not apply to Indian casinos, unless they have a deal with the state or state police for enforcement. You have no rights there.

**Freightman** · 01-19-2018, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by 21forme

Some places, yes. If you're not suspected of a crime and they forcibly detain you against your will, you can sue for damages.

This does not apply to Indian casinos, unless they have a deal with the state or state police for enforcement. You have no rights there.

Don't be so quick on the Indian casino bit. Al Rogers would be the best one to answer this one. The case a couple of years back on forcible detainment at an Arizona Indian casino.

The casino still had immunity, but the court ruled that individual employees and state police could be sued in their individual capacities. The plaintiffs prevailed at trial, and I would imagine that the casino paid the individual judgements.

I think that the ruling would apply nationwide, as I believe the case was heard in federal court.

Again, if Al Rogers reads this, he can provide more accurate info.

**paydatman** · 01-19-2018, 11:34 AM

This does not apply to Indian casinos, unless they have a deal with the state or state police for enforcement. You have no rights there.[/QUOTE]

Whay? no rights? that means they can scalp you if youre caught card counting? lol

**21forme** · 01-19-2018, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

The case a couple of years back on forcible detainment at an Arizona Indian casino.

That's why I said this:
This does not apply to Indian casinos, unless they have a deal with the state or state police for enforcement.

The AZ state police were involved in this case. Even if you can go after individuals in an Indian casino, what kind of settlement do you expect to collect for a $10/hr security guard? BTW, one of the 3 guys involved in this case was your good buddy, MT.

**21forme** · 01-19-2018, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by paydatman

Whay? no rights? that means they can scalp you if youre caught card counting? lol

Pretty much. You should read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Law-Gamblers-...bert+nersesian

Chapter 8 is titled, "Indian Gaming: OMG, WTF" (I'm not kidding.)

**Freightman** · 01-19-2018, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by 21forme

That's why I said this:
This does not apply to Indian casinos, unless they have a deal with the state or state police for enforcement.

The AZ state police were involved in this case. Even if you can go after individuals in an Indian casino, what kind of settlement do you expect to collect for a $10/hr security guard? BTW, one of the 3 guys involved in this case was your good buddy, MT.

Thanks for the clarification, and yes I know about MT. I've a pretty good handle as to the other 2.

What I dont know, us if the settlement was worth it.

**21forme** · 01-19-2018, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Thanks for the clarification, and yes I know about MT. I've a pretty good handle as to the other 2.

What I dont know, us if the settlement was worth it.

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**Freightman** · 01-19-2018, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by 21forme

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**Freightman** · 01-19-2018, 12:18 PM

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**Bushie** · 01-19-2018, 06:50 PM

It's astonishing why anyone would want to play at these seemingly rogue casinos anyway.

Living in Australia, casinos abide by very strict regulations as to what they can and cannot do. Laws here state that you cant be barred from a venue without good reason (which doesn't include AP'ing btw). From the stories I've heard about Indian casinos in the States, it boggles the mind why anyone would even set foot in them.

**vegaskid** · 01-20-2018, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Bushie

It's astonishing why anyone would want to play at these seemingly rogue casinos anyway.

Living in Australia, casinos abide by very strict regulations as to what they can and cannot do. Laws here state that you cant be barred from a venue without good reason (which doesn't include AP'ing btw). From the stories I've heard about Indian casinos in the States, it boggles the mind why anyone would even set foot in them.

Eventually you run out of low hanging fruit and you need to branch out to find places where you're still welcome to play. Worth the risk to some, not so much to others.