Lost $1500 in 3 hours - my first big defeat in 160 hours of Playing...

**Phoebe** · 01-15-2018, 04:19 AM

What better condition that full wonging possibility ?

**jimmybond007** · 01-15-2018, 05:06 AM

If all possible ditch that 8 deck game. The n0 is so high you will not reasonable be able to reach the "long run." Wonging in the 6d would be better. Also if you don't have the software to sim the games, I would suggest you get them. They're worth the price.

**Planisphere** · 01-15-2018, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by jimmybond007

If all possible ditch that 8 deck game. The n0 is so high you will not reasonable be able to reach the "long run." Wonging in the 6d would be better. Also if you don't have the software to sim the games, I would suggest you get them. They're worth the price.

Yes I've been using the program - wonging in at high +TC and out at lower TC gives me much better ROR and better EV.

The problem is now whether I have patience and perseverance enough to wong. I will try that tonight.

**Phoebe** · 01-15-2018, 05:41 AM

I really do not think you can stay to wait, especially >90% of time
In a casino (@ sea) there was absolutely no heat at $25 tables.
But when I stepped into the $100 room, I was immediatly invited to sit down or leave.

**Freightman** · 01-15-2018, 06:42 AM

Not sure if it was you it not, who simply wouldn't accept advice. You've been given some good advice, which simply said- you're courting disaster.

Your last comment about -do I have the patience to Wong.......- do what you like - you don't want to listen - The money is burning a hole in your pocket, so just keep playing either, both of which will hammer you.

**Ustonzen** · 01-15-2018, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Not sure if it was you it not, who simply wouldn't accept advice. You've been given some good advice, which simply said- you're courting disaster.

Your last comment about -do I have the patience to Wong.......- do what you like - you don't want to listen - The money is burning a hole in your pocket, so just keep playing either, both of which will hammer you.

Planisphere has a level head.. if the 100 dollar room has the same absence of heat then make sure you have the bankroll and hit it up. That 8 deck no pen is a monster

**Freightman** · 01-15-2018, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Ustonzen

Planisphere has a level head.. if the 100 dollar room has the same absence of heat then make sure you have the bankroll and hit it up. That 8 deck no pen is a monster

Since OP doesn't have the bankroll for either (and he likely can't Wong into the $100 min game anyways), your advice, as usual, is useless drivel.

**ferenc11** · 01-15-2018, 07:25 AM

Eight deck game sucks. Take the effort and gather information about better games. Network and be willing to travel.
Just because there is a game to be played it is not certain it is worthwhile for your money to risk at it.
I learned it on my own skin.
(Advice from a rookie)

**Freightman** · 01-15-2018, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by ferenc11

Eight deck game sucks. Take the effort and gather information about better games. Network and be willing to travel.
Just because there is a game to be played it is not certain it is worthwhile for your money to risk at it.
I learned it own my own skin.
(Advice from a rookie)

Very well said.
Unfortunately, OP has made it clear that he will not follow sane advice. As for English Pig Dog, he should take heed as to what constitutes logical advice.

**Ustonzen** · 01-15-2018, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Very well said.
Unfortunately, OP has made it clear that he will not follow sane advice. As for English Pig Dog, he should take heed as to what constitutes logical advice.

Hes in asia - you an expert on asian games?

Everybody keeps advising him like hes playing in america

**Ustonzen** · 01-15-2018, 08:51 AM

You should maybe get out more - you seem to be taking this interaction here far too seriously

Its supposed to be an outlet - not a substitute for a social life

**Freightman** · 01-15-2018, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Ustonzen

Hes in asia - you an expert on asian games?

Everybody keeps advising him like hes playing in america

English Pig Dog
His area of domicile should, in no way, be a determinant to the quality of advice espoused. Those proffering advice should have, at minimum, some concept of what constitutes contributory comments.

You should aspire to a higher level of mediocrity, before providing a further display of damaging sub standard commentary.

**Freightman** · 01-15-2018, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Ustonzen

You should maybe get out more - you seem to be taking this interaction here far too seriously

Its supposed to be an outlet - not a substitute for a social life

I'm actually headed out now for most of the day and evening. Regardless, dallying with you is an entertaining outlet.

You should heed your own advice. Consider the possibility of having awakened the beast, which, if it has occurred, would be due to your own stupidity. In any event, your advice is sub standard, and should be tempered with some minimum level of intelligence.