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Thread: My first successful 10-10 split against 5 at high TC!

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    My first successful 10-10 split against 5 at high TC!

    8-Deck Game (I use Hi-Opt II + ASC)

    I was playing two hands (bet $200 per hand) with one another person on the table. The TC was +6, and the dealer had 5. It was my first time splitting tens, but the other person was trying to stop me. I told him we have to hope for the dealer to bust anyway, but I got stiff hands after the split (10-3, and 10-5).

    The dealer's down card was an Ace (then I knew I was f*cked). But the dealer got an ten, making 16, and got another ten so the dealer busted.

    If I didn't split, the dealer would have gotten 19 and I would have lost the other hand, ending up in tie (remember I was playing two hands). The other guy thanked me for splitting after - it's always fun to watch people'e attitude change after winning money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    8-Deck Game (I use Hi-Opt II + ASC)

    I was playing two hands (bet $200 per hand) with one another person on the table. The TC was +6, and the dealer had 5. It was my first time splitting tens, but the other person was trying to stop me. I told him we have to hope for the dealer to bust anyway, but I got stiff hands after the split (10-3, and 10-5).

    The dealer's down card was an Ace (then I knew I was f*cked). But the dealer got an ten, making 16, and got another ten so the dealer busted.

    If I didn't split, the dealer would have gotten 19 and I would have lost the other hand, ending up in tie (remember I was playing two hands). The other guy thanked me for splitting after - it's always fun to watch people'e attitude change after winning money.
    2 comments
    -If I was the other guy, I would have said - you're a fuckin genius
    -consider the Freightman Ball Method Ace Side Count - for feel good play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    My first successful 10-10 split against 5 at high TC!
    WooHoo. I love when things go according to plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpikeBJ View Post
    WooHoo. I love when things go according to plan.
    we are actually playing for the long run(more or less).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    8-Deck Game (I use Hi-Opt II + ASC)

    I was playing two hands (bet $200 per hand) with one another person on the table. The TC was +6, and the dealer had 5. It was my first time splitting tens, but the other person was trying to stop me. I told him we have to hope for the dealer to bust anyway, but I got stiff hands after the split (10-3, and 10-5).

    The dealer's down card was an Ace (then I knew I was f*cked). But the dealer got an ten, making 16, and got another ten so the dealer busted.

    If I didn't split, the dealer would have gotten 19 and I would have lost the other hand, ending up in tie (remember I was playing two hands). The other guy thanked me for splitting after - it's always fun to watch people'e attitude change after winning money



    [QUOTE=Planisphere;238768]

    From one 10 splitter to another, congratulations on your first successful time. I don't play the "what if" game. The players and the dealer are more than willing to do that for you. If the index says split and heat conditions allow, I split those 10s. If overbetting was involved, that's a conversation for another time. Did the dealer have any reaction or just deliver the cards like a good dealer?

    I've found more potential heat losing that split than winning it. And look out if you win and 'make' the others lose. They'll scream bloody murder and that, in turn, can bring unwanted attention from the pit. It's never deterred me and you shouldn't let it deter you. Note: I haven't played for a living in years.

    For added fun sit at third base. You thought they jumped on you for surrender?
    Last edited by paymypush; 01-11-2018 at 05:58 AM.

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    TT v 5 is a marginal split with a +6 TC using hi lo, I am surprised it is a split at all at this TC with Hi Opt II because AFAIK there is a roughly 2:1 correlation between hi lo and HI OPT II TCs (hi lo +3 = Hi OPT II +6).

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    we are actually playing for the long run(more or less).
    Damn. I thought the universe started over again after each session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    TT v 5 is a marginal split with a +6 TC using hi lo, I am surprised it is a split at all at this TC with Hi Opt II because AFAIK there is a roughly 2:1 correlation between hi lo and HI OPT II TCs (hi lo +3 = Hi OPT II +6).
    The OP is lucky because at +6 TC, split and stand have almost the same ev. However, the OP should split if TC exceed the threshold +6 by a lot of margin.

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    I don't claim to be an expert, but my copy of Braun & Humble's "HI-OPT II System for Winning at Casino Blackjack" states split 10s against 5 at true count 8 and above.

    Note: Published in 2001.
    Last edited by 21frogman; 01-11-2018 at 01:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21frogman View Post
    " ... split 10s against 5 at true count 8 and above."
    That's a "profit-maximizing" index. I suggest a "risk-averse" index of +10

    The True Count ought to be adjusted via Aces Side-Counted at +/- 5

    Making this play at a T.C. of +8 or above may leave you compromised
    at deficit Aces. e.g. +10 with just one (1) deficit Ace per deck would
    drop your R.C. by -5, resulting you betting Max and doubling into a
    hand with a minus e.v. and winning less often as you have given up
    getting the 4th card and beyond.

    Always remember that your index (for any play) must be "fully realized"
    before you violate the Basic Strategy play. By "flooring" your True Count
    computation, you will always be accurate. Peter Griffin was, I believe, the
    first person to put this into print, where he simply advocates what I said -
    noting that in the long run, if you have not fully met the index, you'll do
    better playing Basic Strategy. Neophyte card counters want to (figuratively)
    pat themselves on their collective backs for knowing indices for plays both
    common and obscure, but must take care not to overplay their True Count.
    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 01-11-2018 at 01:42 PM.

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