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    It's been a month I started counting in BJ - so much frustration

    8-Deck (~69% penetration)
    BJ Pays 3-to-2
    S17
    DAS
    Resplit Aces (no double after splitting aces)
    Late Surrender
    Dealer Peeks on Aces & Tens for blackjack
    1-10 Spread
    Zero heat (I go to a foreigner-only casino in Asia)
    (tables are always full - barely a chance to play heads on with the dealer)

    I am quite new to the Blackjack world and I have played ~116 hours so far. I use Hi-Opt II + ASC (very good at it after practicing many weeks).

    Within 116 hours, I made almost ~$3000 profit. According to CVData, my EV is ~$22/hour. Yes, I know I should be happy. But it seems so frustrating that one day, I make ~$300 easily in 1 hour and be done for that day (happened yesterday), but also can lose $600 in 8 hours (just happened today). I barely won one hand per shoe today, just kept losing and losing. But yesterday, I won almost all hands everytime I spread

    This whole blackjack, maybe because I am still new, it is so hard to embrace all the frustration that comes from the variation. When you win, you take it for guaranteed and I imagine myself making that much money everyday, but yet faces great disappointment when you actually lose when you expected to make much profit like last time. I know it's all statistics in the long-run, but it is yet hard for me to cope with this.

    Just wanted to share what I felt today while on a losing streak after having easy wins past few days. Meh

    P.S. A lot of thanks to ZenMaster_Flash for helping me out with many questions

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    8 deck shoes with lousy pen can be brutal.

    Try halves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post

    But it seems so frustrating that one day, I make ~$300 easily in 1 hour and be done for that day (happened yesterday)
    Why quit when only up $300 especially if you only played an hour.

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    Experience matters, count you use is over rated. As time goes on, you become better and more disciplined. You start recognizing when to play (number of players, heat), when to wong in or out, when to cut short of extend a session. I am a firm believer that experience in casino conditions is critical to success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    Within 116 hours, I made almost ~$3000 profit. According to CVData, my EV is ~$22/hour. Yes, I know I should be happy. But it seems so frustrating that one day, I make ~$300 easily in 1 hour and be done for that day (happened yesterday), but also can lose $600 in 8 hours (just happened today). I barely won one hand per shoe today, just kept losing and losing. But yesterday, I won almost all hands everytime I spread

    This whole blackjack, maybe because I am still new, it is so hard to embrace all the frustration that comes from the variation. When you win, you take it for guaranteed and I imagine myself making that much money everyday, but yet faces great disappointment when you actually lose when you expected to make much profit like last time. I know it's all statistics in the long-run, but it is yet hard for me to cope with this.

    Just wanted to share what I felt today while on a losing streak after having easy wins past few days. Meh

    P.S. A lot of thanks to ZenMaster_Flash for helping me out with many questions
    Welcome to the wonderful world of variance!

    Its crucial that you stop looking at individual sessions to determine if you're successful. At 116 hours, you're not near N0, the point where you SHOULD be at EV. Once you get your mind around that, you won't leave at a predetermined win, or stick around trying to dig out of a loss.

    This year I will end up. It started horrible--I don't think I was positive until April. Then summer was gangbusters. I finally had a loosing trip just this month. Instead of feeling frustrated, I decided to look at December as a "market correction"...lol.

    It happens. We're all conditioned to want to win. Otherwise, why practice? Why join forums? Why learn indices? You just have to look at winning differently. We want to win long term.

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    Spread more on 8 decks, especially with 69 percent of penetration. That penetration is rubbish...in my honest opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    This year I will end up. It started horrible--I don't think I was positive until April. Then summer was gangbusters. I finally had a loosing trip just this month. Instead of feeling frustrated, I decided to look at December as a "market correction"...lol.
    Just the opposite for me this year. I won the first six times I played and was never in the red at any time during the year. The market correction for me occurred in Nov after making a new yearly high. It was the only losing trip I had this year.

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    sob*

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    I had a terrible run in February. Digging out of it took most of the year. Variance can be a bitch and the N0 floor seems to rise at a snails pace. In the last month or two I've had some amazing runs and at one point was even above EV. Don't sweat the short term swings. The long run is what we're after.

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    It takes time to get out of short term mindset and think long term. Kind of hard at times since all we ever see is a series of short term events and see the variance first hand. This year I had a steady win for 8 months and then all of a sudden a massive losing streak that nearly wiped out all the wins for the year. Right after I had a winning streak with even a steeper slope upwards than the losing slope was downwards. Point is you never know what will happen from session to session. Be confident in your skils and the money will come.

    Playing a crappy pen 8d doesn't help either with a long n0 and big variance. No info on thr store but a larger spread may be tolerated but I would look for better games like 6d shoe or DD, even if you has to travel it may be worth the expense if you get much better conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Experience matters, count you use is over rated. As time goes on, you become better and more disciplined. You start recognizing when to play (number of players, heat), when to wong in or out, when to cut short of extend a session. I am a firm believer that experience in casino conditions is critical to success.
    Don't listen to the site's clown. The count is fine but you have to be able to do it fast and accurate to et the gain the sims suggest are possible. Everyone should be doing what Zclown says. Not just simple approaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Don't listen to the site's clown. The count is fine but you have to be able to do it fast and accurate to et the gain the sims suggest are possible. Everyone should be doing what Zclown says. Not just simple approaches.
    I was a bit dubious whether I should change my count, but I believe in ZenMaster_Flash as teacher so I won't. I believe I am doing accurately, it is just yesterday I faced the greatest defeat by losing almost all hands for 8 hours...spreading by TC didn't really mean yesterday sob*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    I believe I am doing accurately, it is just yesterday I faced the greatest defeat by losing almost all hands for 8 hours.
    This happens. Sometimes it happens far too often. I guess once is too often. LoL

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