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    Too Low of a Spread?

    Assuming I'm playing with a replenishable bankroll, is this spread too low to be effective? Any estimations on an approximate hourly rate (really interested to hear about this one, my guess is ~5-10$/hr)?

    (Hi-Lo, I18, 6D, DAS, double all, split up to 4 times, split aces up to 3, insurance, no surrender, pen. ~75-80%)

    -1 > : wong out
    -1 to +1 : $5
    +1 < but < +1.5 : $6
    +1.5 < but < +2 : $8
    +2 : $10
    +3 : 2×$15
    +4 : 2×$40
    +5: 2×$50
    +6 or greater: 2×$100

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    Forget those white chips. We will have to redo your ramps in the lower TC's, and I'll figure out your $ later.

    Lesson for all - forget the stakes.
    See what this guy did for tc between 1 and 2 - he intrapolated. Nicely done.

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    I wouldn't bother with $6-8 bets. It just slows the game down.

    Re hourly win rate, if you don't have Norm's software, I believe there's an online calculator that will give you some results. Anyone have the link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I wouldn't bother with $6-8 bets. It just slows the game down.

    Re hourly win rate, if you don't have Norm's software, I believe there's an online calculator that will give you some results. Anyone have the link?
    Think you need to be a member to get full usage, may be wrong.
    https://www.qfit.com/blackjack-online-calculators.htm

    Didn't mention the rainbow approach when I made the comment on interpolating.

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    We all know that this absurd 40-1 bet spread will have him 86'd.

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    The spread looks very healthy, but you’re only looking at making right around $15/hr to $20/hr. I ran a really quick sim on CVCX. Not 100% exact parameters you set, but close enough.

    I agree with everyone else though; forget about the $6 and $8 bets. It’ll slow the game down too much. As a matter of fact, I’d almost bet all red until you get to your True 6 bets. Only because going from 1 red chip to 2 big stacks of red might gain attention. You really shouldn’t have to worry about back offs at this level, but it happens sometimes. So I think the only time you should rainbow bet is when you bet 2x100. Maybe $75 green and $25 red on top.

    Consider purchasing Norm’s software too. It’s worth every penny. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    We all know that this absurd 40-1 bet spread will have him 86'd.
    Not necessarily. Really does depend on the house and his act. I've did that hit lots of times red chipping. I've p,aged tolerant joints with heavier spreads at dd. won't comment on the quality of game though

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    We all know that this absurd 40-1 bet spread will have him 86'd.
    Hopefully not at the red chip level. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but if the casino is concerned with that action, he’s probably better off not even playing there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    We all know that this absurd 40-1 bet spread will have him 86'd.
    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Not necessarily. Really does depend on the house and his act. I've did that hit lots of times red chipping. I've p,aged tolerant joints with heavier spreads at dd. won't comment on the quality of game though
    Agree. I’ve used similar spreads (or bigger) maxing out with multiple black chips. I have one joint where I got over 20 hrs with that action and no back off (yet). There are places that will take that action, but I would avoid advertising it until they bounce me.

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    There is no heat ... until there is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    There is no heat ... until there is.
    Actually, and more seriously, it really does depend on the joint. Sometimes you don't know till a suit gives you a tap, other times, you just smell it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    I've been doing this for months. I make outrageous plays like splitting 10s against bust cards with black chips out (of course index dependent). Once I went from just betting nickels to 8 black chips on the felt against a 5 dealer bust card (after double downs and splits). They don't seem to care!

    The floor people sometimes announce my arrival to each other when I sit at a table. Other times floor people will come up to me and tell me stuff like they can't meet their quarterly goals cause of people like me.

    Interestingly enough I haven't met a SINGLE counter in all this time. NOT ONE. I think the guy watching the cameras wants to bang me or something......
    The right joint and the right act, you can last a long time. My last session, I apologized to the games manager for raking them. Said I didn't mind playing a bit longer and losing some back. But I'm a bit concerned about that paltry 160-1 Spread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    The right joint and the right act, you can last a long time. My last session, I apologized to the games manager for raking them. Said I didn't mind playing a bit longer and losing some back. But I'm a bit concerned about that paltry 160-1 Spread
    I love it! Lol. The biggest spread I ever used was 100 to 1. It also happened to be my biggest session win too. I was trespassed that night, but the amount I won was far more than the EV I could have ever earned by milking them. I think my attitude that night was “I’m not leaving until I can no longer mentally function, or until someone makes me leave. Whichever comes first.” I experienced the latter after 4 hours of play that evening.

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