Protecting Your Identity as a "Young" Counter

[DSchles]

Does the host give you the previous tip money back when you lose? Sounds like a terrible one-way street to me. To me, if you play often with the same host, a gift at the end of the year, cash or otherwise, would be appropriate, and it could be a function of your yearly win (if you have one). But to tip each time you play, and more, if you win more, doesn't sound like an AP strategy to me.

How would you like this arrangement, if you were a investor (but not an player) on a blackjack team: after EACH play, you split winnings 50-50 with the player, but after EACH loss, you incur 100% of the loss?

Don

[Bubbles]

Wear clothes that remind you of what your parents might wear. Feel and present an air of relaxed confidence, but not over confidence. Looking nervous is a quick way to get ID'd.

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[Freightman]

Moses said
" Translation, "I didn't get a tip." Later in the week, the host drops by his house. That may not seem so bad except he lives in another state and 200 miles away. According to him, he complained to managemen"

Host was fired, and rightfully so. Lends new meaning to the phrase - toke hustler.

[Three]

According to him, he complained to management and the host was fired.

Many casinos don't allow hosts to accept tips. They will be fired for taking them. I have seen high roller squares I was traveling with try to tip big only to be informed by their host they can't accept tips and he could get fired if they found out he took one. I guess when the host is in control of gifts of huge magnitude payback just leads to corruption that costs the casino a boatload. Now they seemed to view receiving a gift differently but I bet they could get in trouble for any really valuable gift as the casino tried to keep a lid on collusion to abuse the comp system. You would be amazed at the extremely valuable comps given to high rollers that drop mid 5 to 6 figures on a trip. Huge cash back, cars, Rolex watches, and many other extremely valuable gifts. If you don't think hosts are watched closely for collusion when that kind of comps are involved you are crazy.

[BJGenius007]

But here is the flipside. It puts one under a scope. A host can pull up ones account and know exactly what a player did over their stay. I always thought it was sort of cool to have someone I could simply call to make all my arrangements. What I failed to realize a significant gratuity is expected based on your performance. That is a little spooky. Recently, I was talking to a guy that had a $50k weekend on sportsbets. His story. Not mine. He checks out on Monday morning and receives a call from his host while driving home congratulating on his victory. The host presented this knowledge by saying "hey, you forgot to come say goodbye." Translation, "I didn't get a tip." Later in the week, the host drops by his house. That may not seem so bad except he lives in another state and 200 miles away. According to him, he complained to management and the host was fired.

Never ever heard that the hosts expect tips. I think you made this up. It is a ridiculous bad story.

[Gronbog]

It's amazing how the tournament staff lurk around you after you've cashed for something big.

[Freightman]

It's amazing how the tournament staff lurk around you after you've cashed for something big.

Think it was the old Vegas Hilton some years back. Wasnt backed off, but the festivities were humorous.

The $25 table was full, but the $5 table was empty - Go figure. I bought in for a massive $100, and things immediately went my way. Can't remember what I made in the short while, but I'm pretty sure it covered the losses from a coup,e if other stores earlier in the day. Don't think my top bet hit 150 - may not have hit $100, don't know.

Host comes to the table, she's really trying to get me a card, bit I wasn't interested. Cashed out and, as is my custom after a nice win, went to the bathroom, got a CORNER stall, and reorganized my money (no shit, from a $100 buy in).

I leave the shitter, and through sheer coincidence (not), the host is floating around the entrance. She's doing her best to have me sign up(max bet was $100-$150). I decided to negotiate non seriously, and told her - sure - if you give a 3 day Comp right now. She then went into some bullshit about Comp points etc.

Though there was no point beating around the bush, I got the distinctimpression that she wouldn't have minded me beating about hers. She was about 10-15 years younger than me.

Moral, Zee, please note - don't give your name to the store, especially if you play a strong game. Zee, don't for a second think that it's okay for you to mentor newer players to get a card, and not to sweat it. That's about 3-4 joints that I've mentioned today that back off or countermeasure at low stakes.

Time to watch Judge Judy, and give my balls a scratch.

[weballinoutacontro]

Fwiw, I'm not a brand new player, but certainly not as experienced as many around here. In my 2nd year currently and probably between 500-1000 hours played across 4 states so far. I play up to heavy green/black chips

Just looking for suggestions for this issue I have encountered. I do like the craps suggestion. It also just seems pretty much inevitable sometimes though :-/

[What me worry]

I would say change the obvious that identifies your age clothing, hair style, facial hair. If the ID thing is still inevitable my next advice would be to limit your exposure to a handful of places until you get some lines on your face. Don't rush it someday you'll wish you were 23 again.

[RS]

Unfortunately, there isn't a great way to hide your identity when you're young. There are definitely things you can do to appear older, but even then, some will still ask for ID.

Being more confident, not wearing young people clothes (like #YOLO hats), and overall acting more mature are going to help. Also a good idea to buy in at one table and bring chips to another.