Help Figuring my Max Bet for TRIP bankroll

[weballinoutacontro]

Hey all,

Would anyone here mind helping me come up with my max bet for use in 2 different games? Given a trip bankroll of approximately $10k? My total time played in the trip will be approximately 30-40 hours. I am willing to accept a fairly high RoR. My bankroll is replenishable, but I want to cap my loss for this shortish trip at $10k.

(Note: I have CVCX, but I can't get it to work on my PC. Crashes constantly.)

Game 1 - 6 deck: Spreading 1-2x10 units, DAS, LS, RSA (H or S17 will vary)

Game 2 - DD: Spreading 1-10 units, DAS, may or may not have LS, RSA (H or S17 will vary).

Let's assume decent but not fantastic Pen. Hi-Lo w/ I18, Fab4, no cover except not splitting 10s.

Thanks for the help.


PS: If anyone knows the formula or anything that they can refer me to for calculating a max bet for a trip bankroll with a finite length, rather than an overall bankroll, that would be awesome.


TL;DR: Honestly, all I'm looking for is the theoretical max bet of a $10k Bankroll to play a normal "good" DD/6deck game at ~10:1 spreads, and have a 20% or so RoR over ~30 hours of play. Thanks again.

[ZeeBabar]

Hey all,

Would anyone here mind helping me come up with my max bet for use in 2 different games? Given a trip bankroll of approximately $10k? My total time played in the trip will be approximately 30-40 hours. I am willing to accept a fairly high RoR. My bankroll is replenishable, but I want to cap my loss for this shortish trip at $10k.

(Note: I have CVCX, but I can't get it to work on my PC. Crashes constantly.)

Game 1 - 6 deck: Spreading 1-2x10 units, DAS, LS, RSA (H or S17 will vary)

Game 2 - DD: Spreading 1-10 units, DAS, may or may not have LS, RSA (H or S17 will vary).

Let's assume decent but not fantastic Pen. Hi-Lo w/ I18, Fab4, no cover except not splitting 10s.

Thanks for the help.


PS: If anyone knows the formula or anything that they can refer me to for calculating a max bet for a trip bankroll with a finite length, rather than an overall bankroll, that would be awesome.

My suggestion, $10 to 2 x $90 (at 6 deck, $100 bet at $10 table attracts attention).

At DD game, minimum bet at 1 unit and max bet at 10 unit would not really work, too large a spread. I would play $25 to $175 (1-7, and that is pushing it) or $10 to $90 but getting away with that spread is not easy.

[weballinoutacontro]

My suggestion, $10 to 2 x $90 (at 6 deck, $100 bet at $10 table attracts attention).

At DD game, minimum bet at 1 unit and max bet at 10 unit would not really work, too large a spread. I would play $25 to $175 (1-7, and that is pushing it) or $10 to $90 but getting away with that spread is not easy.

Thanks for the reply. However, I regularly play red chips to 2x$100 and DD $10-100. I have never come even close to a $10k loss. In a HUGE amount of hours. Biggest marathon session loss across a few casinos with these spreads has been maybe in the $2k area.

Hence, I feel comfortable going significantly larger. Just asking for some help sizing my bet appropriate to get to a 15-20% RoR or so, given a trip of maybe 30 or so hours playing. (I have no problem "slashing and burning" these games, but that irrelevant to the question posed. Not asking about longevity — just bet sizing).

Thanks for the input


eta: My thought was maybe a little bigger than a $25-250 spread. I've played pretty volatile DD games using this spread a good amount, and even in my worst session that felt extremely brutal, only went down around $4.5k or so. Definitely didn't get even close to 10k down in what felt like a game several standards of deviation below zero.



edit2: Honestly, all I'm looking for is the theoretical max bet of a $10k Bankroll to play a normal "good" DD/6deck game at ~10:1 spreads, and have a 20% or so RoR over ~30 hours of play. Thanks again.

[Three]

Nobody can give you a good answer without knowing what count you use and how many indices.

[Ryemo]

Nobody can give you a good answer without knowing what count you use and how many indices.

That’s not true. C’mon, he already told you the spreads he’s using. I think that’ll suffice.

[Bubbles]

Hi-Lo w/ I18, Fab4, no cover except not splitting 10s.

Nobody can give you a good answer without knowing what count you use and how many indices.

I'm too drunk to actually answer the question, I just thought I'd leave these quotes here. Even sober, I'm not sure I know how to use CVCX well enough to figure out trip RoR.

[Ryemo]

weballinoutacontro,

What I do is look at the history of my play and think back to some of the worst losses I’ve ever had. I use that as a guide to help decide how much money to bring with me when traveling.

On my last couple trips, I had two separate sessions where I dug in over 15 max bets each time. I’ve had trips where I’ve lost 30 to 50 max bets, but those are a lot more rare. I’ve even had marathon sessions where I’ve lost or dug in 40+ max bets. So I use these experiences to help financially prepare myself for each trip.

I typically travel with 50 max bets minimum. Just so there isn’t any confusion in our terminology, for me, one max bet is equivalent to what you would bet per hand. So for example, if your top bet was 2x100, then I would consider $100 as one max bet. So I would tell you travel with at least 5K then. But you’ve got 10K, so my advice would be to not bet more than 2x200. Of course if you’re willing to take on my more risk (which it sounds like you are), then feel free to go higher. But I think you should align your stakes with your total bankroll as opposed to your trip roll, and just bring enough with you to play those stakes on one trip.

[DSchles]

Thanks for the reply. However, I regularly play red chips to 2x$100 and DD $10-100. I have never come even close to a $10k loss. In a HUGE amount of hours. Biggest marathon session loss across a few casinos with these spreads has been maybe in the $2k area.

Hence, I feel comfortable going significantly larger. Just asking for some help sizing my bet appropriate to get to a 15-20% RoR or so, given a trip of maybe 30 or so hours playing. (I have no problem "slashing and burning" these games, but that irrelevant to the question posed. Not asking about longevity — just bet sizing).

Thanks for the input


eta: My thought was maybe a little bigger than a $25-250 spread. I've played pretty volatile DD games using this spread a good amount, and even in my worst session that felt extremely brutal, only went down around $4.5k or so. Definitely didn't get even close to 10k down in what felt like a game several standards of deviation below zero.



edit2: Honestly, all I'm looking for is the theoretical max bet of a $10k Bankroll to play a normal "good" DD/6deck game at ~10:1 spreads, and have a 20% or so RoR over ~30 hours of play. Thanks again.

Since you never, EVER, can simply get a straight answer here, to what was nonetheless a perfectly straightforward question with all the necessary information, I'll give it to you, with no recommendations, preaching, or stupid comments:

4.5/6, S17, DAS, LS, RSA, 2x1 to 2x10 spread. $10,000 trip bankroll. Sweet 16 + Fab 4. Play 30 hours. ROR 19%. Bet sizes should be 2 x $25 to 2 x $250. End of story.
See how easy that is, everyone?

Don

[DSchles]

Nobody can give you a good answer without knowing what count you use and how many indices.

He stated both. Just read.

Don

[Three]

He stated both. Just read.

Don

My bad. It didn't register in my brain when I read it and I didn't notice it when scanning the post later. I actually had to scan it twice before noticing it after your post challenged me to find it. I guess that Sunday football hangover was affecting me.

Sorry about that chief.

[Three]

TL;DR: Honestly, all I'm looking for is the theoretical max bet of a $10k Bankroll to play a normal "good" DD/6deck game at ~10:1 spreads, and have a 20% or so RoR over ~30 hours of play. Thanks again.

It is up to you how much trip RoR is acceptable but if I am flying I want it to be 0 because I don't want to be left twiddling my thumbs until my plane takes off because I ran out of money. As an AP you want to have the highest hourly and you would count all that missed play as rounds observed but not played. That would really hurt your long term hourly so the smaller hourly that allows you to play to the end of those 5% of your trips that you would have been sitting idle for however long until your flight might actually have a larger hourly when factoring in wasted time because of trip ruin. So you play 10 hours a day and lose a day. That is 1000 rounds, or up to 2000 hands if playing 2 spots, at 100 rounds per hour. Things are really much more complicated than that when reducing your access to tables to those lower than $25 minimum. I just described one factor. Game speed would likely take a hit so that would be a factor in the opposite direction.

[shake]

I would say 25 top bets for 20% ROR. So $400 top bet. Generally my worst (long) sessions i lose around 20 max bets. A $300 max bet would be pretty safe with 10k over that amount of time.

[Three]

I would say 25 top bets for 20% ROR. So $400 top bet. Generally my worst (long) sessions i lose around 20 max bets. A $300 max bet would be pretty safe with 10k over that amount of time.

I thought we were talking trip RoR not session RoR. How many sessions do you play on a trip?