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    Split 10s against dealer 3

    Had two table max bets out, end of shoe with true count +13. Got two tens on one hand and a soft 17 against a dealer 3. Split the tens and got two aces in a row for 21s. Doubled the soft hand and got a hard 14. Dealer turns over 8 and then draws a 10 for a 21. Is this index not that valuable considering 7's and 8s might be in excess?

    Technically speaking, I was tempted to double the soft 11s but didn't because I chickened out. I believe +8 true count justifies doubling soft 11s, or am I wrong? Heat isn't a factor in the slightest.

    6D, DAS, double any, split up to 4 times, resplit aces 3 times, no insurance.....

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    Yup, technically, if no heat, should have doubled the soft 11s and lost even more money!

    Game is a bitch sometimes, huh?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post

    Game is a bitch sometimes, huh?

    Don
    Hand before that one also had two table maxes out with a decent position (two 20s vs dealer 10).....dealer pulls over a 6 under the 10 and proceeds to draw that 5 I was hoping he would! Unfortunately instead of going home I proceeded to TILT world, drinking 3 Heinekens and finding solace in playing through negative count's and even throwing out a black chip here and there when the count was negative. Blackjack is so cruel.

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    dalmatian
    ... spoke of "cruelty."

    If there is 'cruelty' at the nucleus of playing BJ,
    it is because of our collective inability to accept
    'bad beats' at advantageous situations, where
    our averaged long-term e.v. rarely exceeds 2-3%.

    Anticipating (short-term) success is toxic, but sadly,
    is 'taken for granted.' It took me years to fully insulate
    myself from 'anticipation', including pre-game, pre-wager,
    pre-hand_resolution of anticipated success or failure.

    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 12-06-2017 at 07:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    dalmatian
    ... spoke of "cruelty."

    If there is 'cruelty' at the nucleus of playing BJ,
    it is because of our collective inability to accept
    'bad beats' at advantageous situations, where
    our averaged long-term e.v. rarely exceeds 2-3%.

    Anticipating (short-term) success is toxic, but sadly,
    is 'taken for granted.' It took me years to fully insulate
    myself from 'anticipation', including pre-game, pre-wager,
    pre-hand_resolution of anticipated success or failure.

    Yes, anticipation....last round of last shoe (DD), playing HiLo, TC of +5, $175 on each of two hands, and up with 10,7 and 10,8, dealer upcard is a 9, anticipating loss, dealer turns up 2, a groan then the dealer turns up an Ace and a ten card to bust. Instead of losing $350 for sure, ended up winning $350 and the drive home became so pleasant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Had two table max bets out, end of shoe with true count +13. Got two tens on one hand and a soft 17 against a dealer 3. Split the tens and got two aces in a row for 21s. Doubled the soft hand and got a hard 14. Dealer turns over 8 and then draws a 10 for a 21. Is this index not that valuable considering 7's and 8s might be in excess?

    Technically speaking, I was tempted to double the soft 11s but didn't because I chickened out. I believe +8 true count justifies doubling soft 11s, or am I wrong? Heat isn't a factor in the slightest.

    6D, DAS, double any, split up to 4 times, resplit aces 3 times, no insurance.....
    Double soft 20 or split 20 against upcard 3 has the same index +8. I did it all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    "drive home became so pleasant!"
    Zee' ...

    Like a classic
    pathological gambler, your focus is on
    winning X dollars, to the exclusion of losing same - as
    if losing is simply unlikely. Opioid addicts focus on their
    euphoria rather than how sick they are feeling so often.

    IF, and only if, you have "surplus monies" do losses and
    wins trade equally. Extrapolate to the extremes.

    Wealthy Willie wins (or loses) $1,000 and as a result,
    the minuscule result is a moot point, not remembered.
    Poor Peter experiences these events very differently.
    Winning is an excuse to celebrate (without investment
    good purchases or debt service); all while having relatively
    little net worth, which may push the desparado into deeper
    debt, depression, marital strife, crime, and worse.

    It is always interesting ~ listening to two or more
    slot machine addicts talking about the jackpots that
    they had hit that day, without any mention of their
    net loss.
    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 12-07-2017 at 08:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmatian View Post
    Is this index not that valuable considering 7's and 8s might be in excess?
    This is why the dealer 3 has so many risk averse indices. Many are greatly inflated over EV maximizing indices.

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