Recent Experience with Facial Recognition

[blackjackomaha]

Disclaimer: Not my experience with facial recognition; rather, a friend's.

Background: My friend is barred from all Iowa casinos. Caesars properties are included, FYI. He was barred a few years ago and hadn't visited a Caesar's property in quite some time.

My friend returned from a Las Vegas trip this week. This was his first visit to Las Vegas. The incident in question happened at Caesars Palace. He sat down at a table and bought in at low stakes ($200), got up to take a phone call, and as he was walking back to the table, security confronted him by first/last name and indicated he was not allowed on any Caesar's property. This was the first property he walked into, and he estimated 10 minutes passed between when he sat down and when he has told to leave. He had not shown ID once during this trip. Upon asking why his state ban applied, Caesars indicated they take it a step further and subsequently ban folks worldwide anytime a state ban occurs (not new). He left without pushing the issue and was given his buy-in $, but was shocked at how fast he was identified with either an old driver's license photo, or an old photo from playing at the table/cashing out.

I am familiar with Caesar's internal procedures to ban folks from their properties worldwide (Bob N has commented this type of ban is not enforceable), but wanted to pass this along to folks as an FYI, RE: accuracy of facial recognition deployed at some properties.

Be safe!

-BJO

[Three]

He could have been identified by a piece of jewelry he always wears or a distinguishing feature on his body, like a visible birth mark or mole. It didn't have to be facial recognition.

[Ryemo]

He could have been identified by a piece of jewelry he always wears or a distinguishing feature on his body, like a visible birth mark or mole. It didn't have to be facial recognition.

Really??? Is that what surveillance is on the hunt for? Lol

This very well could have been FRS, license plate scan, or maybe it had something to do with his player’s card (assuming he used it anywhere in the casino). Unless this guy has a mole that’s covering half of his face or he’s wearing jewelry like Mr. T, then I doubt that was the cause! Lol

[Three]

Unless this guy has a mole that’s covering half of his face or he’s wearing jewelry like Mr. T, then I doubt that was the cause! Lol

I know of backers from these types of identification. Most people don't think about them so they don't take precautions of removing jewelry or covering/ minimizing distinguishing features. That is why I added it. The stuff you listed is obvious so why list it.

[seriousplayer]

I am not sure what software the casino uses to write their facial recognition program. But I have written a facial recognition program before using MATLAB for one of my university project. Depend on how the program is written there could be glitches.

[Midwest Player]

Can your friend still play at CET properties in Missouri? I thought they can't trespass for card counting. I'm thinking of Harrah's in Kansas City.

[blackjackomaha]

Additional context/details to aid further discussion:

• Caesars was the first casino he attempted to play at, which greatly diminishes or eliminates the possibility of another casino alerting Caesars to his presence
• He has not had an active players card with Caesars for two years, and did not reapply or use an old players card on this trip, at any Caesars property. He did not show his ID at the table and was not requested to do so.
• His wife, with him the duration of his trip and visit to Caesars Palace, did not use a players card, play slots, or play any table
• The clothing/outfit/etc on this trip were not part of his wardrobe in the previous 6 months, and have not been worn in any Caesar's property. Note - this does not eliminate the possibility of a him being sighted elsewhere; however, he has never been in a casino outside of IA/MO/KS prior to this trip
• He did not have jewelry - no rings (other than the wedding ring, which he did not have when he was initial banned), no watch, no glasses, no piercings, no tattoos, no scars
• He did not make any purchases -- gifts, show tickets, or eat, at any Caesars property
• Definitely not a license plate scan, as he did not drive his own vehicle or rent a car. He was staying at a non-sister property and walked to Caesars. A ride-sharing service was used from airport to the property he stayed at.
• He does have less hair and more winkles than a few years ago

Appreciate the feedback!

[blackjackomaha]

Can your friend still play at CET properties in Missouri? I thought they can't trespass for card counting. I'm thinking of Harrah's in Kansas City.

The legal answer is most likely yes, since it's my understanding a ban cannot legally carry over from Iowa (or anywhere else) to Missouri if the property owners/operators are different. He has been into the Harrah's in KC and played without trouble a few times in the past (about a year ago). Did not have to show ID and did not use a players card, and used ride-sharing to get to the property. Not sure if it would have been different if ID was presented at the entrance.

While Missouri cannot trespass for card counting, they can trespass for other reasons since at the end of the day, it's still private property.

[Ryemo]

Can your friend still play at CET properties in Missouri? I thought they can't trespass for card counting. I'm thinking of Harrah's in Kansas City.

A close friend of mine has been trespassed nationwide. When he went to go play at Harrah’s KC, they made him leave the property when they learned his name.

[Banker]

Can you clarify one thing about the initial ban. I am not familiar with Iowa state ban. Was he banned by TR property in Iowa and told not to play in the whole state? It is possible, in this case however, that FRS which is getting better or the casino had heads up from another source, i.e.. may be there is part missing of the story. Often, we forget a part because we do not think it is relevant and in fact it is.

[RCJH]

I have a friend who was backed off in a similar fashion, not CET, however.

Turns out someone who previously trespassed him was now at a different casino, with the same owner, several states apart. He (surveillance guy) recognized my friend from the first encounter, and backed him off at the new casino. Maybe some Iowa guy has been promoted to Vegas.

[double up]

Facial recognition is no longer an issue: http://anonymous-news.com/photograph...low-your-mind/

There is no more privacy in Vegas or any other institution using AI to detect people.

[Casanova]

Facial recognition is no longer an issue: http://anonymous-news.com/photograph...low-your-mind/

There is no more privacy in Vegas or any other institution using AI to detect people.

For the sake of "convenience" our privacy is out the window.. Internet wise, Tails would be the best bet