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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    But it says otherwise - you do not take insurance when your count still signals it.
    Not so. Example, before the deal, hi-lo RC=+6, 1.5 decks remain so TC=+4, dealer shows ace up, index says insure. Just me and the dealer, I have two hands of 20 (KK,QQ), I adjust RC to +2 based on my hands, RC is now +2, TC <+2 so I do not insure. I do not adjust for the dealer's ace however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    For me insurance is a side bet only, the only effect of my hand composition on an insurance bet is to adjust the count. Two hands of twenty will more likely stop my taking insurance because 4 tens are now not available for dealer hole card, and may push my insurance index below threshold. Low or neutral cards or aces in my hand increase the probability of a dealer hole card ten value.
    Let's define - you make a decision about insurance depending on the composition of the hand or from TC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Let's define - you make a decision about insurance depending on the composition of the hand or from TC?
    Interesting question for the masses.
    I will insure a hard 20 slightly below index.
    I will likely not insure a mediocre hand right at index.
    I'll insure everything at monster counts.

    Yes, it is a seperate side bet, but the pit is evaluating it strictly as hand protection. Part of playing the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Interesting question for the masses.
    I will insure a hard 20 slightly below index.
    I will likely not insure a mediocre hand right at index.
    I'll insure everything at monster counts.

    Yes, it is a seperate side bet, but the pit is evaluating it strictly as hand protection. Part of playing the game.
    Gymnastics for mathematicians ))-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Interesting question for the masses.
    I will insure a hard 20 slightly below index.
    I will likely not insure a mediocre hand right at index.
    I'll insure everything at monster counts.

    Yes, it is a seperate side bet, but the pit is evaluating it strictly as hand protection. Part of playing the game.
    You make a good point on the camo of protecting good hands. that I hadn't thought much about. However, you may look like a dumbass to the pit insuring a stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Let's define - you make a decision about insurance depending on the composition of the hand or from TC?
    Yes and yes. The hand composition affects the TC at the time the bet is offered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    However, you may look like a dumbass to the pit insuring a stiff.
    Isn't that nice-an admirable goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    "you may look like a dumbass to the pit insuring a stiff."
    Pit critter knows why Insurance is important to us.

    That is why "insuring for (much) less" can make it

    look like you take insurance more often than not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Ah, the good old days! Nothing remotely like them anymore.

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    Don, I concur. My feelings precisely.

    I wish that I had a time machine so

    that I could go to Caesars Palace and

    play Single Deck with an edge off the top.

    I would spread 3-1 in Black and at every

    shuffle resulting in my winning the dealer

    would collect a red chip. $5 in 1973 is the

    equivalent of > $35 in today's dollars.

    Dealers "went for their own", meaning that

    tokes were individually collected, not shared.


    Now that I think of it, I earned $12,500 in 1973.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Mama View Post
    Yes and yes. The hand composition affects the TC at the time the bet is offered.
    I don't know why you don't just use the count at the time you make any decision rather than the TC when you made the bet to make a playing decision. All decisions should use all available information. Uncounted neutral cards on the table are the only ones on the table you should factor in. The rest are already counted and factored into the count at the time of the decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    I don't know why you don't just use the count at the time you make any decision rather than the TC when you made the bet to make a playing decision. All decisions should use all available information. Uncounted neutral cards on the table are the only ones on the table you should factor in. The rest are already counted and factored into the count at the time of the decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    I don't know why you don't just use the count at the time you make any decision rather than the TC when you made the bet to make a playing decision. All decisions should use all available information. Uncounted neutral cards on the table are the only ones on the table you should factor in. The rest are already counted and factored into the count at the time of the decision.
    You describe exactly what I do, I guess I didn't state it clearly enough.

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