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    CSM, House edge and Variance (in comparaison with hand schuffle)

    Hello,

    I have found a blackjack game with an edge off the top dealt from a csm ( model one two six). The game seems playable, so great.

    I have heard from an AP guy that generally :
    The house edge from a CSM is better for the player ( in this case as the house edge is at the side of the AP, it would mean that the AP has a better edge with a CSM in comparaison with a hand schuffle and normal penetration like 4.5/6). BUT also...

    The variance is higher (in comparaison with a traditionnal hand schuffle).

    Anyone has information, internet links to share ? I would be curious to know if this two facts are true and if so, why, what are the mathematical and logical reasons ?

    I could play this game with "normal" calculations ( like if i was flat betting with a traditionnal hand schuffle and normal penetration), but if the reality is that the variance is higher that what i thought...The ROR should be higher than the one i had with my software, and my bankroll more in danger.

    Thank you by advance and sorry for my bad english.
    Last edited by GreenHouse; 11-28-2017 at 03:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHouse View Post
    Hello,

    I have found a blackjack game with an edge off the top dealt from a csm ( model one two six). The game seems playable, so great.

    I have heard from an AP guy that generally :
    The house edge from a CSM is better for the player ( in this case as the house edge is at the side of the AP, it would mean that the AP has a better edge with a CSM in comparaison with a hand schuffle and normal penetration like 4.5/6). BUT also...

    The variance is higher (in comparaison with a traditionnal hand schuffle).

    Anyone has information, internet links to share ? I would be curious to know if this two facts are true and if so, why, what are the mathematical and logical reasons ?

    I could play this game with "normal" calculations ( like if i was flat betting with a traditionnal hand schuffle and normal penetration), but if the reality is that the variance is higher that what i thought...The ROR should be higher than the one i had with my software, and my bankroll more in danger.

    Thank you by advance and sorry for my bad english.

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    https://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/10/

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    Thank you, well read.

    So i have my answer for the EV, for variance i dont know, but maybe my friend who is saying that variance is higher with CSM is wrong.

    Also this is pure speculation, but as the EV is higher with CSM for the player and as you have more chances of getting a blackjack, i would say also its the case, but probably not a major effect, i hope !

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    James 989,


    Frank Sclobete and Henry Tamburin are gambling HACKS.

    You'll diminish your casino cred' by mentioning either one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    James 989,


    Frank Sclobete and Henry Tamburin are gambling HACKS.

    You'll diminish your casino cred' by mentioning either one.
    Yeah, speed count promoters!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    Yeah, speed count promoters!!
    They bigger issue is the cost they charge for it!

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    how big is the edge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    They bigger issue is the cost they charge for it!
    What do you think about Dan Pronovost the inventor of Speed Count?

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