Results 1 to 13 of 13

Thread: True Count versus Deck Depth Advantage

  1. #1


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No

    True Count versus Deck Depth Advantage

    Does the player's advantage at a particular true count change as he plays deeper into the shoe?

    For instance, let's say 6 deck H17, 5/6 penetration.

    In the first deck dealt, let's say the player has about a 0.61% advantage against the house at a true count of 2.

    A little later, he's in the third deck of the shoe and again has a true count of 2. Is his advantage still the same 0.61% or is that advantage % deck dependent?

  2. #2


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    See BJA3, Chapter 6, "The Floating Advantage."

    Complicated subject. Short answer: the edge for the same true count increases as you get deeper in the pack..

    Don

  3. #3


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    cool. thanks, don. I'll check that out.

  4. #4
    Senior Member Tarzan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Atlantic City
    Posts
    1,013


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    A "truer" true count, less randomization as pen increases. This situation also alters indices, the index with 4 or 5 decks remaining can be different than the index with less than 2 decks remaining.

  5. #5


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Don,

    Don't you also say that, although the edge increases somewhat as you get deeper into the pack, with today's games the floating advantage is not something that can effectively be implemented by the player? Or am I missing something?

  6. #6


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by terry0222 View Post
    Don,

    Don't you also say that, although the edge increases somewhat as you get deeper into the pack, with today's games the floating advantage is not something that can effectively be implemented by the player? Or am I missing something?
    The main conclusion of the study is that the effect really doesn't manifest itself until the deeper penetrations, and those are extremely hard to find. So the concept is of more theoretical import than practical.

    Don

  7. #7
    Senior Member Bubbles's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2015
    Location
    South West
    Posts
    957


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    The main conclusion of the study is that the effect really doesn't manifest itself until the deeper penetrations, and those are extremely hard to find. So the concept is of more theoretical import than practical.

    Don
    What if I regularly have 92% pen, or is that not deep enough?

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    3rd rock from Sol, Milky Way Galaxy
    Posts
    14,158


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Set up a sim to collect data in slices by depth. The stats for each slice will give you the answers you seek.

  9. #9


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    What if I regularly have 92% pen, or is that not deep enough?
    Yes, that is deep enough. Do you have BJA3? Any true count at that level will be worth at least what one higher TC was worth earlier in the shoe.

    Don
    Last edited by DSchles; 11-18-2017 at 11:52 AM.

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    3rd rock from Sol, Milky Way Galaxy
    Posts
    14,158


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Yes, that is deep enough. Do you have BJA3? Any true count at that level will be worth at least what one lower TC was worth earlier in the shoe.

    Don
    Don't you mean one higher rather than one lower.

  11. #11


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    No, not really.

  12. #12


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Don't you mean one higher rather than one lower.
    Yes, sorry. I thought about how to express it, and then did it backwards anyway! Will edit the original.

    Don

  13. #13


    Did you find this post helpful? Yes | No
    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    What if I regularly have 92% pen, or is that not deep enough?
    REALLY??

    In a 6-deck shoe game, that's 25 cards cut off.

    In a DD game, thats 8 cards cut off.

    Your post implies you are actually getting that kind of pen.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 11-07-2014, 01:23 PM
  2. Advantage Per True Count Question
    By Smoke8 in forum General Blackjack Forum
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 09-29-2014, 04:28 PM
  3. Brick: True count advantage.
    By Brick in forum Blackjack Main
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 05-30-2005, 08:46 PM
  4. DetroitTC: Advantage vs. True Count
    By DetroitTC in forum Computing for Counters
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 01-17-2005, 08:14 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

About Blackjack: The Forum

BJTF is an advantage player site based on the principles of comity. That is, civil and considerate behavior for the mutual benefit of all involved. The goal of advantage play is the legal extraction of funds from gaming establishments by gaining a mathematic advantage and developing the skills required to use that advantage. To maximize our success, it is important to understand that we are all on the same side. Personal conflicts simply get in the way of our goals.