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    Phil Ivey vs Crockfords

    They are both civil cases. At no time was Scotland Yard or the New Jersey State Police involved and there is no accusation of criminal cheating. The specifics of the case have been discussed in various threads on this and other forums.

    Here's a timeline...

    ENGLAND

    August, 2012: Phil Ivey and Cheung Yin Sun used edge sorting to gain an advantage at Punto Banco Baccarat and won 7.8m British Pounds at Crockfords Casino in London. The casino accused him of cheating and refused to pay him any winnings but refunded the 1m British Pounds he put up as front money.

    May, 2013: Phil Ivey sues Genting UK PLC, the parent company of Crockfords Casino, for his winnings.

    October, 2014: High Court of Justice hears the case and Phil Ivey loses.

    January, 2015: Phil Ivey is granted permission to appeal the case.

    April, 2016: Court of Appeals upholds the High Court decision.

    February, 2017: UK Supreme Court grants permission for an appeal.

    October, 2017: UK Supreme Court upholds the Court of Appeals decision. Phil Ivey loses.

    UNITED STATES

    April - July, 2012: Phil Ivey and Cheung Yin Sun used edge sorting to gain an advantage at Punto Banco Baccarat and won 9.6m US Dollars at the Borgata Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey. The Casino paid the winnings.

    April, 2014: Borgata Hotel and Casino sues Phil Ivey to recover the money plus additional winnings. Cheung Yin Sun and Gemaco(card manufacturer) are co-defendants.

    December, 2016: Phil Ivey loses the case and is ordered to repay the Baccarat winnings.


    A final thought...I hope Phil Ivey understands that the UK Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case so they can clarify certain aspects of UK gaming law which are of significant public importance. The irony of this case is that the edge sorting techniques he and his colleague used are easily preventable if the casinos had taken basic game protection measures. In any case, it will be a nice payday for the lawyers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davethebuilder View Post
    They are both civil cases. At no time was Scotland Yard or the New Jersey State Police involved and there is no accusation of criminal cheating. The specifics of the case have been discussed in various threads on this and other forums.

    Here's a timeline...

    ENGLAND

    August, 2012: Phil Ivey and Cheung Yin Sun used edge sorting to gain an advantage at Punto Banco Baccarat and won 7.8m British Pounds at Crockfords Casino in London. The casino accused him of cheating and refused to pay him any winnings but refunded the 1m British Pounds he put up as front money.

    May, 2013: Phil Ivey sues Genting UK PLC, the parent company of Crockfords Casino, for his winnings.

    October, 2014: High Court of Justice hears the case and Phil Ivey loses.

    January, 2015: Phil Ivey is granted permission to appeal the case.

    April, 2016: Court of Appeals upholds the High Court decision.

    February, 2017: UK Supreme Court grants permission for an appeal.

    October, 2017: UK Supreme Court upholds the Court of Appeals decision. Phil Ivey loses.

    UNITED STATES

    April - July, 2012: Phil Ivey and Cheung Yin Sun used edge sorting to gain an advantage at Punto Banco Baccarat and won 9.6m US Dollars at the Borgata Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey. The Casino paid the winnings.

    April, 2014: Borgata Hotel and Casino sues Phil Ivey to recover the money plus additional winnings. Cheung Yin Sun and Gemaco(card manufacturer) are co-defendants.

    December, 2016: Phil Ivey loses the case and is ordered to repay the Baccarat winnings.


    A final thought...I hope Phil Ivey understands that the UK Supreme Court has agreed to hear the case so they can clarify certain aspects of UK gaming law which are of significant public importance. The irony of this case is that the edge sorting techniques he and his colleague used are easily preventable if the casinos had taken basic game protection measures. In any case, it will be a nice payday for the lawyers.
    By going pro se Phil could have saved a tidy sum in legal fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    By going pro se Phil could have saved a tidy sum in legal fees.
    Phil played the legal game and got crushed.

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    Phil I. got his "just deserts" ~ if you'll permit me a
    14th century idiom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    Phil I. got his "just deserts" ~ if you'll permit me a
    14th century idiom.
    Don, you may find some humour value here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    humour value here
    Sahara, Gobi...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Don, you may find some humour value here.
    There's no humor value because, although in this idiom, it's pronounced "desserts," it is properly spelled "deserts."

    Learned something, huh?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpikeBJ View Post
    Sahara, Gobi...
    See above.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    There's no humor value because, although in this idiom, it's pronounced "desserts," it is properly spelled "deserts."

    Learned something, huh?

    Don
    Well, since I'm having coffee at my favourite French bakery cafe, nothing more remains to be done, other than give myself a scratch.

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    Do they have desserts or deserts at your pastry shop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpikeBJ View Post
    Do they have desserts or deserts at your pastry shop?
    Desserts are served at a French restaurant. I have to provide my own ball scratcher.

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