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    realistically how can an ap overcome logistics to become pro

    I just returned from a 4 day trip to las vegas and saw
    the current infrastructure of casinos and highways etc.
    since an ap must limit their play in any one casino to an
    hour at most in order to not over expose oneself to heat and
    barrings, how can one practically travel from one casino to
    another in a practical productive way.
    there seems to be obstacles to transporting oneself from
    casino to casino efficiently.
    what is the best way to get around?
    can one practically really get around
    so that the ap player can make it worthwhile
    and have sustainability?

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    Two options:

    1) Use your legs and walk... exercise is great and leads to a longer life (and AP career)
    2) Use The Deuce to travel farther distances... $8 for a 24 hour pass is very affordable compared to cabs
    Vaya con Dios...

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    Keep a record of what casinos you played during what session.

    Acquire or print a good map of Las Vegas, Henderson, etc. etc.

    Plan your attacks to limit wear and tear on your shoe leather.

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    There are many places in the country with casinos. Las Vegas is just one piece of the overall puzzle. Most pro players log a lot of airplane time.

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    Great to see you post here Al.

    If you're in a concentrated area of casinos, there are advantages and disadvantages of walking. The advantages are:

    1. As JohnyUtah said, exercise.
    2. Time to reflect.
    3. Not losing your rental car in the parking garage of a 5,000 room casino.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    I've lived in Vegas for 4 plus years now. My first 2 years, I lived just off the strip, and didn't have a car. I played on the strip a lot. Walked a lot. Used public transportation to get downtown and to 'local' type casinos, like the different Station casinos and casinos on Boulder highway. Even rode my bike to a few casinos. I was a public transportation guy back east. Public transportation in Vegas is pretty good overall, compared to most major cities. The biggest problem area is of course the strip. I believe you can actually get to every casino in the Las Vegas Valley via public transportation except M resort and Rampart (M does have a free shuttle from the strip). Of course the OP mentioned "efficiently" and that is another matter. Sometimes there are connections and wait times involved. Plus the issue of carrying significant funds on public transportation.

    After two years I broke down and bought a car, for the first time in my life. Several months after I bought a car, I actually won an automobile in a casino drawing, so maybe I should have waited....but that's another matter. Vegas, like a lot of western cities is more spread out and it also is not very bike friendly like some east coast cities. I am a public transportation guy and I broke down and bought a car. That should tell you something.

    For an AP, both living in Vegas, as well as visiting, I think a car is essential because you really do want to hit the better games at the 'local' type places off strip and away from downtown. In the last year or so, I have taken it a step further. I have a driver most of the time. I have a playing partner who handles all our machine play opportunities, and plays a limited amount of blackjack. He also doubles as my driver, since I really don't like to drive. Most times he drops me right at the front door and then heads off to do his thing, which may or may not be at the same location. We usually have a set pickup time, but if I am ready early, I just call. Communication is key. It takes a little planning, but we are pretty efficient. I also, don't mind waiting a few minutes. I am a big people watcher person, so if I have a few minutes to kill, that's fine with me.

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    First, welcome Al.

    Second, when I go to LV, I mostly walk the Strip. Between traffic and the mega-garages, it's hardly worth driving around. If I'm staying on the Strip, I'll do a combo of walking and taking free shuttles. For example, play Caesars, walk to Bellagio, play there, take their Monorail to Aria, play there, walk south to MGM, play there, cross Trop Blvd to Trop, play there, cross LV Blvd and take the monorail from Excalibur to MB. Next day, check out PH and Paris. Rinse and repeat.

    When I do drive the Strip, I usually take the back roads such as Frank Sinatra Blvd and Koval.

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    Following Norm and 21forme's lead, I do want to say it is good to see Al Rogers post here. Welcome Al.

    I also want to respond to something 21forme said. The trams or free monorails. When playing the strip I will use the free monorail between Excal and Man Bay, but I don't find that free monorail from Bellagio to Monte Carlo (with an Aria stop) all that useful because it is so far in the rear of the properties. By the time you walk to the monorail you could have just walked down LVB.

    Now speaking of monorail, I do want to mention the paid monorail on the East side of the strip. Very mismanaged and poorly planned, also way out of the way at the back of the properties, but, convenient if you play LVH and the lower end of the strip as I do. If you have a Nevada Id, the cost is $1 per ride, making it pretty cost efficient as well.

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    Rent a car. Vegas is one of the cheapest places in the country for rental cars. One single round trip cab fare is probably more expensive as a rental car for 24hrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ View Post
    I don't find that free monorail from Bellagio to Monte Carlo (with an Aria stop) all that useful because it is so far in the rear of the properties.
    KJ, I find Aria a hassle to walk to as it's so far back from the Strip. The Monte Carlo stop is more convenient to use for Aria. I never use the middle (Aria/Crystals) stop.

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    i should have mentioned in my original post that I am in a motorized wheel chair
    so I have a problem with transportation. I don't live in vegas, I fly in from California.

    thus it is important for me to stay at a conveniently located low cost hotel.
    please advise the best located hotels that are closest to other casinos that
    a wheel chair limited person on low budget could stay in.

    it looks like the casinos on the strip are clustered. is circus circus a well
    located casino/hotel for this purpose? any others? for other clusters.

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    Ahhhh... apologies for the "use your legs and walk" comment. Yeah, that info might've been useful. Is this going to be your first trip to Vegas?

    If I remember correctly Circus Circus is not in a cluster and is probably actually the opposite of that.

    Harrah's/Quad/Flamingo are all sidewalk connected and pretty inexpensive (but you get what you pay for, particularly the Quad). Also, a lot of tables there are 6:5 (mainly the tables near the entrances) so you'd need to look around. As far as the strip goes, there are elevators and walkways over the streets so it should be reasonably accessible for you (I can't speak from experience though). If you cross Flamingo Road from Harrah's/Quad/Flamingo you then have Bally's/Paris/Planet Hollywood on one long block. There's a shuttle at Bally's that connects with the Rio (at least during the WSOP) but nothing else is very accessible from the Rio once you're there.

    If cost is your biggest concern, the Quad sounds like your place (~$30/night midweek is the most you'd pay I think?). I've never stayed, but I only hear terrible things about it. If you have a TR card you might get cheap/free rooms at Quad/Harrah's/Flamingo/Bally's/Paris.
    Vaya con Dios...

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    Being in a wheelchair, you should get a job as a spotter for a HC team.

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