Where is the full-index chart for Uston APC counting system?

**Planisphere** · 11-11-2017, 04:19 AM

I am trying to switch from FELT-F to another counting system that has the maximum PE & IE and nevermind about BE, because the casino I go to has only three minimum bet tables and always full, that it takes forever to make profits (I am trying to just vary bets regardless of count - I know it is not very smart way but anyways.)

1. Anyone can recommend me a counting system that has the best PE & IE regardless of BE? According to qfit.com, it seems Uston APC and Hi-Opt II seem the top two.
2. I can't find the full index chart for Uston APC from the list on Verite - anyone knows where it is?

**BoSox** · 11-11-2017, 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by Planisphere

I am trying to switch from FELT-F to another counting system that has the maximum PE & IE and nevermind about BE, because the casino I go to has only three minimum bet tables and always full, that it takes forever to make profits (I am trying to just vary bets regardless of count - I know it is not very smart way but anyways.)

1. Anyone can recommend me a counting system that has the best PE & IE regardless of BE? According to qfit.com, it seems Uston APC and Hi-Opt II seem the top two.
2. I can't find the full index chart for Uston APC from the list on Verite - anyone knows where it is?

You should give up the game, why learn a better count, when you do not even understand the basic principals.

**Bubbles** · 11-11-2017, 04:45 AM

Why are you wanting to learn a new count when you have no intention of actually using it? If you like to count things for the heck of it, does it really matter what cards you count?

I don't know have the chart for which you're asking. Flash is the goto for anything hiopt2.

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**Planisphere** · 11-11-2017, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by BoSox

You should give up the game, why learn a better count, when you do not even understand the basic principals.

W00t. Another person who doesn't actually answers but rather assumes and ignores. I am not even mad lol

**refinery** · 11-11-2017, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by BoSox

You should give up the game, why learn a better count, when you do not even understand the basic principals.

Not to mention FELT is an exceptional count for shoe games.

**refinery** · 11-11-2017, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Planisphere

W00t. Another person who doesn't actually answers but rather assumes and ignores. I am not even mad lol

You should listen to BoSox. He's very knowledgeable.

FELT is an exceptional count for shoe games. If you think you are going to do much better, you are mistaken. BoSox is right.

**BoSox** · 11-11-2017, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by Planisphere

W00t. Another person who doesn't actually answers but rather assumes and ignores. I am not even mad lol

One has no choice but to assume when very little information is provided. What did I ignore?

**Planisphere** · 11-11-2017, 05:07 AM

The card counting strategy comparison from qfit says FELT puts more emphasis on the BC (BC: 99; PE:55); but I was wondering if there's a count that puts most emphasis on PE regardless of BC. I am planning to just vary bets regardless of the TC for fun which goes against the basic principles of counting system.

I appreciate advices but I don't know why people here have to be assuming and ignorant just because they are confident they know a lot, but at the end didn't even answer questions. Maybe people like to feel superior by ignoring others lol why do I even bother

**Planisphere** · 11-11-2017, 05:11 AM

If you thought it is okay to assume and say that the opponent lacks knowledge because of little information is provided, I am assuming you have social issues.

**BoSox** · 11-11-2017, 05:30 AM

Planisphere, you need to read the book Professional Blackjack by Stanford Wong before making any changes as I can grasp you know very little about the game, from reading the first post in the thread.

**Planisphere** · 11-11-2017, 05:36 AM

Good for you! Congrats

**Bubbles** · 11-11-2017, 05:52 AM

I hope you realise you will be doing an awful lot of mental work and will still be playing a disadvantagous game. You'll be able to mitigate a small amount of house edge by better playing decisions, but not enough to be a winning player. Why not just stick with FELT for your index plays? A better PE will only help you lose a few pennys less per hour in your shoes. Why not have whatever dictates your betting to control your playing too? Come on, double that hard 16, split those 5s, and never surrender!

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**BoSox** · 11-11-2017, 06:13 AM

Planisphere, one of the key points in Wong's book that relates to your first post is, on page 51 to quote:

"For winning money at multiple-deck blackjack, bet variation is far more important than strategy variation. In fact all of these tables on deviating from basic strategy are of minor value. More important is to avoid being barred and to find good rules and good penetration."

Now that book was written before the First BJ Attack book was written by Don Schlesinger which included the I18, and the fab 4 which helped newer players significantly on what are the the best indices to know first, but also helped the veterans players know where to place their primary focus when considering a deviation play. Still it is the betting efficiency that garners the bulk of the gain obtainable from card counting, multi deck games.