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    Is this game worth playing? (uploaded my CVCX Summary chart)

    8-Deck (~70% Penetration)
    Blackjack Pays 3to2
    Minimum $10
    S17
    Can double down any cards
    DAS (can split to four cards)
    RSA (no double/hitting after splitting aces)
    Late Surrender
    Dealer Peeks for Blackjack on Aces & Tens
    Burn Two Cards
    Table usually always full
    No heat for spreading bet unless you spread bet to like more than $100 (I'm at a foreigner-only casino in an Asian country).
    Hard to Wong-In because table is usually full; but I can freely wong-out at low TC saying I'm gonna take a bathroom break, and rejoin at a new shoe.

    I play FELT-F/1-15 Spread with Wong-Out @ TC<=3.
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    If the table is always full you can drop that HPH to like 50 or 60...maybe slower if there are side bets ploppies are betting.

    I myself wouldn't attempt to play that game but I cannot speak for anyone else. With a high RoR like that you stand a decent chance of busting that bankroll.

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    If you are okay with 9.43 an hour, sure! I did run this through CVdata where you don't re-enter the same shoe like you said, and it gave me 8.30 an hour. I don't believe cvcx does that, but I could be mistaken.

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    Hmm, I didn't have that game exactly but for a similar 6D game (S17, late surrender) with average PEN (75%) I'm showing a 1-15 hi/low spread will earn about $20/hour playing down through TC -2. I'm not as familiar with FELT, curious as to why the EV is almost doubled though.

    Ahh, looks like you're using a 1-6 spread? If this is a crowded 8D table, you should be spreading more than 1-6. If the place doesn't like $100 bets (lots of places I've played shouts checks play at the $100 mark on a red chip table) then bet up to $90, and get multiple hands if you can at that point. It's an 'okay' game to play, but you're not making much per hour... I'd go 5 tables down and play their 8D H17 game that's empty, has 85% PEN and 0% heat. Rules might be worse, but if you can spread 1-20 on it all night then the SCORE will be much better. (p.s. that was just an example table saying I'm sure you can find a better game, because rules aren't everything in finding a good game).
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    Your CE is like $3 once you account for rounds per hour, so probably not, no.

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    Thank you. What can I possibly do to improve my play on this game?

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    Play at off peak times where you have a better chance of playing heads up against the dealer. You will earn 4x as much playing heads up as you will at a full table. The game itself is okay, pretty good rules but bad penetration. The more decks you are playing with, the higher the % penetration needs to be. So a two deck game with 50% penetration is actually better than an eight deck game with 70% penetration, if all other things are equal. A bigger bankroll would also help.

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    I see...if you mean "Play heads-up", do you also mean "the table with less players, the better"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    I see...if you mean "Play heads-up", do you also mean "the table with less players, the better"?
    Hands per hour go up. More hph means more money. Win rates per 100 hands are close to equal, but win rates per hour change dramatically as........... you are playing more hands.

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    OhOh HPH was the key - thank you all

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    Would that then also mean that playing two hands is better in terms of the HPH concept?

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    When you see HPH in the sim you actually need to understand it's not actual hands but ROUNDS/hour.

    Dealing a round of heads up play is faster than dealing a round of two hands

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmybond007 View Post
    Dealing a round of heads up play is faster than dealing a round of two hands
    This one hand versus playing 2 hand when playing heads up with the dealer debate is tricky. I find it is dealer dependent but I can play through a shoe faster, with most dealers, when playing 2 hands than 1 hand. But like I said this may vary by dealer. The situation that allows you to play through a shoe faster is the desirable one.

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