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Thread: Any BJ counting system that can achieve 0.8 playing efficiency ?

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    Worry about PE ?
    Invent your count and check it
    https://www.blackjackinfo.com/card-c...cy-calculator/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    Worry about PE ?
    Invent your count and check it
    https://www.blackjackinfo.com/card-c...cy-calculator/
    Philippe, efficiency calculator cannot be used ?
    Last edited by James989; 10-22-2017 at 10:45 AM.

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    Why not ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philippe B View Post
    Why not ?
    What I get :-

    PE Cal.jpg


    Anyway, please help me to check the PE for this counting system, from 2 to Ace, tag value 3,3,5,5,3,2,0,-1,-4,-4.

    The BJ rules :-

    1) Single deck
    2) Peek rule
    3) H17
    4) No surrender, Insurance pay 2 to 1
    5) DAS, Double after split
    6) Double on hard 10 or 11 only
    7) Original hand split once to form 2 hands, NO resplit.
    8) Split Ace only receive one card
    9) Bet max 3 hands per round
    10) Shuffle after each round.
    11) Insurance pay 2 to 1
    Last edited by James989; 10-22-2017 at 10:17 PM.

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    Thanks moses

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    Why in the world would you resort to a level-5 count to produce those three numbers when the level-2 RPC is .55, .99, .78??

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Why in the world would you resort to a level-5 count to produce those three numbers when the level-2 RPC is .55, .99, .78??

    Don

    hi DSchles,

    That is my proposed counting system, I don't know those three numbers until moses told me so. I don't have CVDATA to calculate that.

    For online casino BJ games, I can use online BJ Hand calculator(https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...nd-calculator/) to obtain 0.999 PE but I still want to know is there any a single counting system that can achieve > 0.8 PE.

    James

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    Quote Originally Posted by James989 View Post
    hi DSchles,

    That is my proposed counting system, I don't know those three numbers until moses told me so. I don't have CVDATA to calculate that.

    For online casino BJ games, I can use online BJ Hand calculator(https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...nd-calculator/) to obtain 0.999 PE but I still want to know is there any a single counting system that can achieve > 0.8 PE.

    James
    The answer is no..There is no singular counting system that can achieve .80 Playing efficiency without using Multi-Parameters or a Dual System..

    The Highest you can get is .70 (A-X)11123221-1-3
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Jackson View Post
    The answer is no..There is no singular counting system that can achieve .80 Playing efficiency without using Multi-Parameters or a Dual System..

    The Highest you can get is .70 11123221-1--3
    Good answer. Here's one of the OP's early posts:

    Quote Originally Posted by James989
    I am not so worry how difficult the systems is because I am using a program to count cards.
    Then why use a counting system at all? Can't you just use the exact EOR multipliers?

    Edit: while thinking about it a little more, then there is the task of hit/stand decisions etc, but again, you'd be keeping the entire history. It doesn't seem too hard to code but I haven't tried it.

    Edit2: These links are fun:

    http://www.bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi
    http://www.bjstrat.net/CASimDiff.html

    Edit 3: This too

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...JA-3rd-edition
    Last edited by refinery; 10-26-2017 at 12:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Good answer. Here's one of the OP's early posts:



    Then why use a counting system at all? Can't you just use the exact EOR multipliers?

    Edit: while thinking about it a little more, then there is the task of hit/stand decisions etc, but again, you'd be keeping the entire history. It doesn't seem too hard to code but I haven't tried it.

    Edit2: These links are fun:

    http://www.bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi
    http://www.bjstrat.net/CASimDiff.html

    Edit 3: This too

    https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/sh...JA-3rd-edition
    Exact EOR multipliers only give BC = 0.999999999, PE still below 0.7, Exact EOR multipliers does not really help to increase PE !

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    yah but u could just use computer perfect play based on the deck composition just have your bot simulate all the various actions a million times and calculate the expected value of each play by recording the return. heck 100,000 of each play should be enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    yah but u could just use computer perfect play based on the deck composition just have your bot simulate all the various actions a million times and calculate the expected value of each play by recording the return. heck 100,000 of each play should be enough
    Yeah. That's what I am planning to do, with composition dependent strategy(BJ HAND CALCULATOR) and bot program, the BC = 0.9999, PE=0.9999 and IC =0.9999, LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Jackson View Post
    "The Highest you can get is .70 (A-X)11123221-1-3"
    The above is seemingly incorrect. What is your source?

    My sense of this:

    The tags are dubious, especially for the four (4) [too low]

    and the 6, 7 and 8 [too high]. Aces need to be zero (0)

    Look to Hi-Opt II for the best Level Two count.

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