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    Any BJ counting system that can achieve 0.8 playing efficiency ?

    or even higher ? LOL

    HI-OPT 2 - PE = 0.67
    USTON APC - PE = 0.69

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    Multiparameter systems can achieve that sort of PE, with a high degree of difficulty. These systems are often based on the Heath count or HiOpt 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James989 View Post
    or even higher ? LOL

    HI-OPT 2 - PE = 0.67
    USTON APC - PE = 0.69
    Many counts can get higher if they use more information than just the basic count. It is said with just pitting one group of cards against another the best you can get is 0.70. But if you factor in side counting you can get into the 0.90's if you gather enough additional information and know how to use it. Start with an already pretty high PE count (Basically any ace neutral count) and work from there.

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    Yes...read pages 59, 60 of Griffin's book...multi-parameter counts give up to 0.89 PE...but you need to be a high IQ, dedicated Asperger to accomplish it!!!

    Chucky baby

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    Quote Originally Posted by chucky baby View Post
    Yes...read pages 59, 60 of Griffin's book...multi-parameter counts give up to 0.89 PE...but you need to be a high IQ, dedicated Asperger to accomplish it!!!

    Chucky baby

    I am not so worry how difficult the systems is because I am using a program to count cards.


    I have read the Griffin's book but I can't really understand his explanations. Could you please show me how to use the multi-parameter counts ?

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    The highest P.E. that a dedicated highly intelligent person can employ is:


    Gordon w/All Side Counts P.E. = .922

    • • • • • • •
    Subject: Re: Gordon w/ All Side Counts
    From: Abdul Jalib <[email protected]>
    Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:17:19 PST
    Newsgroups: rec.gambling.blackjack.moderated
    Old-Message-ID: <[email protected]> Organization: Positive Expected Value, Unlimited
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    [email protected] writes:
    >
    > Does anyone know where to get the complete strategy tables for the
    Gordon
    > count (2,3,4,5=+1, 10=-1), with side counts of Ace, 6, 7, 8, and 9?
    >
    > I heard this was the most powerful card counting system.
    >
    > If you can actually master it (wouldn't be easy). You have betting
    correlation
    > of .98 and an amazing playing efficiency of .922!
    >
    > I would like to know if anyone has ever used this system in actual
    casino
    > play, and are the complete strategy tables in print anywhere?
    I don't know if anyone has ever used it, but I'll bet you my entire
    bankroll (except one penny of course that someone somewhere sometime
    has used it. I think the following could be the Gordon Count's first
    time "in print" for free. First I'll give risk averse strategy
    adjustments using a modified version of the "bj-strat" program. Then
    I'll give the multiparameter adjustments for all the side counts.
    Risk Averse Main Count Strategy Adjustments
    ===========================================
    Blackjack Count Strategy Adjustments
    ............................Cards: 2345678910Ace
    Values: 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1 0
    1 deck, no double on splits, dealer hits soft 17
    300 unit bankroll, 1-3 spread
    Hit/Stand Strategy
    Dealer's Upcard
    Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace


    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    -4
    3
    6 12 Hit Hit
    ...
    ...
    ...
    8
    Hit
    Hard 21
    Hard 20
    Hard 19
    Hard 18
    Hard 17
    Hard 16
    Hard 15
    Hard 14
    Hard 13
    Hard 12
    Soft 21
    Soft 20
    Soft 19
    Soft 18
    Soft 17
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    -18 -19 -20 -18 -20 -18 -11 -12 -15
    -7 -8 -9 -10 -11 6 6 3 0 -5 -7 -8 -9 -11 10 11 8 5 -3 -4 -6 -7 -10 14 Hit Hit Hit -1 -2 -4-5-7 Hit Hit Hit Hit
    3 2 0 -1 -3 Hit Hit Hit Hit
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    -10 -12 -10 -11 -12 -18 -8 Hit 15
    Hit Hit Hit Hit Hit 15 Hit Hit Hit
    Surrender Strategy
    Dealer's Upcard
    Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    3
    -4
    -1
    5
    Hard 21 Hard 20 Hard 19 Hard 18 Hard 17 Hard 16 Hard15 Hard 14
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 16 11 ... ... ............ 3 0 -3 ..................730 .................. 14 8 3


    16 ...
    Hard 13
    Hard 12
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 17 8
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 18 13
    Double Down Strategy
    Dealer's Upcard
    Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
    4
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    Hard 11
    Hard 10
    Hard 9
    Hard 8
    Hard 7
    Hard 6
    Hard 5
    Hard 4
    Soft 20
    Soft 19
    Soft 18
    Soft 17
    Soft 16
    Soft 15
    Soft 14
    Soft 13
    -9 -10 -11 -12 -13 -7 -4 -3 -3
    -8 -9 -10 -11 -12 -6 -3 -1 7
    1 0 -2 -4 -6 3 8 ... ...
    15 11 7 4 2 13 ... ... ...
    ... 18 12 9 7 ... ... ... ...
    ... ... 15 12 10 ... ... ... ...
    ... ... 17 13 11 ... ... ... ...
    ... ... 18 13 12 ... ... ... ...
    12 11 8 6 4 16 ... ... ...
    11 6 4 2 -1 17 ... ... ...
    3 -1 -11 -12 -14 ... ... ... ...
    2 -4 -9 -14 -14 ... ... ... ...
    ... 8 -2 -6 -12 ... ... ... ...
    17 6 -1 -3 -6 ... ... ... ...
    12 7 11 7
    0 -2 -4 ... ... ... ...
    3 0 -2 ... ... ... ...
    Pair Split Strategy (non risk averse)
    Dealer's Upcard
    Player'sPair 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
    Ace,Ace -10 -11 -12-12-14-9-8-8-8 -5


    ...
    1
    -2
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    10,10 1296431219......
    -1 -2 -3 -5 -6 8 split split -20*
    split split split split split split split 8* 3*
    split split split split split split -7* -14* -16*
    -2 -4 -7 -9 -10 -2* -9* -19* ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... -20* -20* ... ...
    9,9
    8,8
    7,7
    6,6
    5,5
    4,4
    3,3
    2,2
    7 4 -1 -6 -5
    9 5 -2 -7 -8
    split -16* ... ...
    split -14* -20* -19*
    Multiparameter Strategy Adjustments
    ===================================
    You can improve your strategy by using side counts. That's what is
    meant by "multiparameter strategy adjustments".
    Of course, side counts will give you headaches for multiple decks,
    but then you don't get much for strategy adjustments on multiple
    decks anyway, so then you might switch to High-Low or Zen or Halves, or
    perhaps just keep a side count of aces.
    Strategy adjustments are worth *beaucoup* on deeply dealt single
    deckers.
    In fact, very deep in the deck, strategy adjustments are worth much
    more
    than ranging your bet according to the count. You can find a deeply
    dealt
    single decker by choosing the right casino and/or by choosing the right
    number of players (e.g., 2 rounds of 7 sitting towards third base.)
    Below, the only columns that really make sense to use are A, 6, 7, 8,
    9,
    i.e., the cards which Gordon counts as 0. For example, look at the
    very first line of the table, the "0" in the top left corner.
    If you have 17 versus dealer ace then excess observed aces should be
    counted +0 (i.e., as if they were a neutral card.) That was easy, eh?
    But look at the "1" under the 7-column. This means that excess
    observed
    sevens should be counted as +1 (i.e., as if they were a small card for
    the purpose of this decision.) If you have seen 3 sevens in half a
    deck, then you saw one excess seven over the average. After
    adjusting your count, you then use the regular Gordon strategy
    adjustment tables. So excess observed sevens will make you less likely
    to hit 17 vs. ace (probably because it's that much less likely that the
    dealer has a pat 18 to try to beat.)
    The columns are for the card being side counted. Some of the
    numbers, particularly for splitting, seem a bit wacky and probably


    are erroneous. This table was generated using hand typed data from
    _Theory of Blackjack_ (and a simple program to process these data)
    and so human error is possible in some of the values. Use at your
    own risk. You can and should reformat the data by hand into the
    format used in _World's Greatest Blackjack Book_. You have thus far
    paid me insufficient funds (my records indicate a total of $0.00 to
    date) to do this grunt work for you or to do the extra work necessary
    to figure out where the wacky values are coming from. See _World's
    Greatest Blackjack Book_ and _Theory of Blackjack_ for more information
    on multiparameter counts.
    For example of how to reformat, you would have an ace adjustment table
    that looked like this:
    DEALER UPCARD
    HAND 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 A
    17+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +2 +3 +2 +1 0
    16+1 +1 +1 0 +1 +1 +1 +1 0 0 etc
    And then a separate table like that for each of the other cards you
    wish to side count. With this count, it would be a good idea to
    side count 6's 7's and 8's in one group, for maximum bang for brain
    cells. You can do this by averaging their adjustment values.
    [There is no more plain text after this point, just tables of numbers,
    so you may wish to skip the rest of this article. Remember, the
    columns
    below are the side count cards.]
    DEALER A
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    0 1 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 3 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 1 3 3 -1 -1 -2
    0 0 0 0 1 3 3 3 -2 -2
    -1 0 0 0 0 3 3 3 3 -2
    DOUBLING 11-10
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
    HITTING SOFT 18
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 2 3 0 0 -2 0 1 0 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(88)(77)(66)(33)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -6 -2 2 1 1 3 1 1 5 -2
    -2 0 0 2 2 -2 0 2 2 -1 -87-71-89-65 64 78241 38 60-42 1 1 2 3 3 -1 -2 -3 -4 0 -4 2 8 7 3 -13 -14 -11 10 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1


    DEALER 10
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 2 3 -2 -2 -1 1 0 -1 0 0 1 2 2 -1 1 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 2 3 1 0 -1 -1 0 -1 0 0 1 2 7 0 -1 -2 0 -1 -1 0 0 1 6 6 -2 -3 0-1-1-1-1 0 4 5 6 -3
    DOUBLING 11-10
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
    -2 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1
    HITTING SOFT 18
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 14 7-2-1 -1 -5 -2 1 0
    SPLITTING (88)(33)(22)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 -1 -1
    1 0 -3 -1 0 4 7 7 -2 -3
    1 -1 0 0 -1 0 0 5 5 -3
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
    DEALER 9
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 2 3 3-2 -2 -2 -2 0 -1 1 1 1 2 2 -1 -2 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 2 2 -2 0 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 2 3 3 0 -1 -2 0 0 -1 -1 0 2 3 8 -2 -3 0 0 -1 -1 -1 0 2 8 7 -3
    DOUBLING 11-10
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 -1
    HITTING SOFT 18
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 45 6 -1 -1 -2 -3 -6 -4 0
    SPLITTING (99)(88)(33)(22)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -2 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 -1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 2 0 -1 -1 -8-14-12 -5 23 34 36 -6-12 0-3 0-1-1-2 1 10 8 -3 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 -1


    DEALER 8
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    3 3 3 3 -2 -2 -2 -3 -2 0
    1 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -2 0 -1
    1 0 1 2 2 2 -2 -2 0 -1
    1 0 0 1 2 2 3 -3 -1 -1
    1 0 0 -1 1 3 3 3 -1 -2
    0 -1 -1 -2 -1 1 3 3 8 -3
    DOUBLING 11-9
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1
    HITTING SOFT 18
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 33 3 0 0 -1 -1 -2 -3 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING 18
    31 44 48-28-29-24-20-14-35 7
    SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -3 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 -1
    1 2 3 4 -4 -5 -6 5 4 -1
    1 1 2 3 3 -1 -2 -2 -2 0
    -1 20 35 23 2-46-56-54 6 18 2 -5 -5 -6 -8 -2 6 25 26 -8 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1
    DEALER 7
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 2 2 2 0-1-1-1-1 -1 1 1 2 2 2 -1 -2 -2 -2 0 1 1 2 2 2 2 -2 -2 -2 -1 1 0 1 2 2 2 2 -3 -3 -1 1 0 0 1 2 2 2 3 -4 -2 1 -1 -1 -1 0 2 3 3 3 -3
    DOUBLING 11-8
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 2 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 2 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    HITTING SOFT 17
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10


    2 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A7)(A6)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -3 -8 -9 9 7 6 5 4 -2 -2
    1 -1 -1 0 5 3 1 0 -2 -2
    SPLITTING (99)(66)(33)(22)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -7 -3 2 3 1 3 4 2 -1 -1 1 1 2 2 2 -2 -2 -2 -3 0 -1 12 14 13 -2-21-26-25 7 7 -13 3 21 39 15 -2-12-60-60 17 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    DEALER 6
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 -2
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    1 -1 -1 2 3 1 1 0 0 -1
    1 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 -1
    2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    2 1 1 1 1 -2 0 0 -1 -1
    2 2 1 1 1 -1 -2 0 -1 -1
    2 1 2 1 1 0 -1 -2 -1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    2 2 2 1 1 -1 -2 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 2 2 -1 -1 -1 0 -1
    1 1 1 2 2 0 0 -2 -2 -1
    DEALER 5
    HITTING 17-12


    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    -1 -1 2 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    -1 -1 -1 2 3 3 1 0 0 -1
    0 0 0 0 3 3 0 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 3 0 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 -2 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -2 -1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 2 2 1 1 0 -1 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 2 2 1 -1 -1 0 -1
    0 1 1 2 2 2 0 -1 -2 -1
    DEALER 4
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 2 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -2
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 2 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1


    -1 -1 1 2 2 1 1 0 -1 -1
    -1 -2 -2 3 3 3 3 1 0 -2
    1 -1 -1 0 3 3 3 0 -1 -2
    2 0 0 0 0 4 3 0 -1 -2
    2 1 1 1 1 0 2 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -2 -1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -2
    0 0 1 2 2 1 0 -2 -1 -1
    -1 0 1 3 3 3 2 -4 -5 0
    DEALER 3
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 2 2 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -2
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
    -1 -1 1 2 2 2 1 1 -1 -1
    -1 -3 -4 3 3 3 3 3 0 -2
    1-1-2-2 4 4 4 4-1-2 3 -1 -1 0 0 4 4 4 -1 -3 2 1 0 1 1 0 2 2 -1 -2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 -1 -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 0 1 2 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1-1-2-2 5 5 3 4 -2 -2 0 0 0 0 1 2 2 2 0 -2 0 0 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 1 1 5 7 6 2 -8 -19 1
    DEALER 2


    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 -1
    1 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -2
    0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 -2
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
    0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -2
    0 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 -2
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
    -1 -2 1 1 2 2 2 1 0 -2
    -1 -3 -5 2 4 4 3 3 2 -2
    1 -2 -3 -4 4 4 4 4 4 -3 4 -1 -2 -3 -2 6 5 5 4-4 3 1 0 -1 0 -1 2 2 2 -2 2 1 1 0 1 0 -1 1 1 -2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 0 1 1 2 1 1 1 0 -1
    -3 -3 -3 -4 5 7 5 6 4 -4
    0 0 0 -1 1 2 3 2 2 -2
    0 0 1 1 2 0 -1 -2 1 -1
    -1 2 2 5 7 5 0 -12 -15 2

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    P.e. .922


    I apologize for the lack of proper formatting.

    Gordon w/ All Side Counts



    Subject: Re: Gordon w/ All Side Counts
    From: Abdul Jalib <[email protected]>
    Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:17:19 PST
    Newsgroups: rec.gambling.blackjack.moderated
    Old-Message-ID: <[email protected]> Organization: Positive Expected Value, Unlimited
    References: <[email protected]>

    [email protected] writes:
    >
    > Does anyone know where to get the complete strategy tables for the
    Gordon
    > count (2,3,4,5=+1, 10=-1), with side counts of Ace, 6, 7, 8, and 9?
    >
    > I heard this was the most powerful card counting system.
    >
    > If you can actually master it (wouldn't be easy). You have betting
    correlation
    > of .98 and an amazing playing efficiency of .922!
    >
    > I would like to know if anyone has ever used this system in actual
    casino
    > play, and are the complete strategy tables in print anywhere?
    I don't know if anyone has ever used it, but I'll bet you my entire
    bankroll (except one penny of course that someone somewhere sometime
    has used it. I think the following could be the Gordon Count's first
    time "in print" for free. First I'll give risk averse strategy
    adjustments using a modified version of the "bj-strat" program. Then
    I'll give the multiparameter adjustments for all the side counts.
    Risk Averse Main Count Strategy Adjustments
    ===========================================
    Blackjack Count Strategy Adjustments
    Cards: 2345678910Ace
    Values: 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1 0
    1 deck, no double on splits, dealer hits soft 17
    300 unit bankroll, 1-3 spread
    Hit/Stand Strategy
    Dealer's Upcard
    Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace


    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    -4
    3
    6 12 Hit Hit
    ...
    ...
    ...
    8
    Hit
    Hard 21
    Hard 20
    Hard 19
    Hard 18
    Hard 17
    Hard 16
    Hard 15
    Hard 14
    Hard 13
    Hard 12
    Soft 21
    Soft 20
    Soft 19
    Soft 18
    Soft 17
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    -18 -19 -20 -18 -20 -18 -11 -12 -15
    -7 -8 -9 -10 -11 6 6 3 0 -5 -7 -8 -9 -11 10 11 8 5 -3 -4 -6 -7 -10 14 Hit Hit Hit -1 -2 -4-5-7 Hit Hit Hit Hit
    3 2 0 -1 -3 Hit Hit Hit Hit
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    -10 -12 -10 -11 -12 -18 -8 Hit 15
    Hit Hit Hit Hit Hit 15 Hit Hit Hit
    Surrender Strategy
    Dealer's Upcard
    Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    3
    -4
    -1
    5
    Hard 21 Hard 20 Hard 19 Hard 18 Hard 17 Hard 16 Hard15 Hard 14
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 16 11 ... ... ............ 3 0 -3 ..................730 .................. 14 8 3


    16 ...
    Hard 13
    Hard 12
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 17 8
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 18 13
    Double Down Strategy
    Dealer's Upcard
    Player'sTotal 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
    4
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    Hard 11
    Hard 10
    Hard 9
    Hard 8
    Hard 7
    Hard 6
    Hard 5
    Hard 4
    Soft 20
    Soft 19
    Soft 18
    Soft 17
    Soft 16
    Soft 15
    Soft 14
    Soft 13
    -9 -10 -11 -12 -13 -7 -4 -3 -3
    -8 -9 -10 -11 -12 -6 -3 -1 7
    1 0 -2 -4 -6 3 8 ... ...
    15 11 7 4 2 13 ... ... ...
    ... 18 12 9 7 ... ... ... ...
    ... ... 15 12 10 ... ... ... ...
    ... ... 17 13 11 ... ... ... ...
    ... ... 18 13 12 ... ... ... ...
    12 11 8 6 4 16 ... ... ...
    11 6 4 2 -1 17 ... ... ...
    3 -1 -11 -12 -14 ... ... ... ...
    2 -4 -9 -14 -14 ... ... ... ...
    ... 8 -2 -6 -12 ... ... ... ...
    17 6 -1 -3 -6 ... ... ... ...
    12 7 11 7
    0 -2 -4 ... ... ... ...
    3 0 -2 ... ... ... ...
    Pair Split Strategy (non risk averse)
    Dealer's Upcard
    Player'sPair 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Ace
    Ace,Ace -10 -11 -12-12-14-9-8-8-8 -5


    ...
    1
    -2
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    ...
    10,10 1296431219......
    -1 -2 -3 -5 -6 8 split split -20*
    split split split split split split split 8* 3*
    split split split split split split -7* -14* -16*
    -2 -4 -7 -9 -10 -2* -9* -19* ...
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    ... ... ... ... ... -20* -20* ... ...
    9,9
    8,8
    7,7
    6,6
    5,5
    4,4
    3,3
    2,2
    7 4 -1 -6 -5
    9 5 -2 -7 -8
    split -16* ... ...
    split -14* -20* -19*
    Multiparameter Strategy Adjustments
    ===================================
    You can improve your strategy by using side counts. That's what is
    meant by "multiparameter strategy adjustments".
    Of course, side counts will give you headaches for multiple decks,
    but then you don't get much for strategy adjustments on multiple
    decks anyway, so then you might switch to High-Low or Zen or Halves, or
    perhaps just keep a side count of aces.
    Strategy adjustments are worth *beaucoup* on deeply dealt single
    deckers.
    In fact, very deep in the deck, strategy adjustments are worth much
    more
    than ranging your bet according to the count. You can find a deeply
    dealt
    single decker by choosing the right casino and/or by choosing the right
    number of players (e.g., 2 rounds of 7 sitting towards third base.)
    Below, the only columns that really make sense to use are A, 6, 7, 8,
    9,
    i.e., the cards which Gordon counts as 0. For example, look at the
    very first line of the table, the "0" in the top left corner.
    If you have 17 versus dealer ace then excess observed aces should be
    counted +0 (i.e., as if they were a neutral card.) That was easy, eh?
    But look at the "1" under the 7-column. This means that excess
    observed
    sevens should be counted as +1 (i.e., as if they were a small card for
    the purpose of this decision.) If you have seen 3 sevens in half a
    deck, then you saw one excess seven over the average. After
    adjusting your count, you then use the regular Gordon strategy
    adjustment tables. So excess observed sevens will make you less likely
    to hit 17 vs. ace (probably because it's that much less likely that the
    dealer has a pat 18 to try to beat.)
    The columns are for the card being side counted. Some of the
    numbers, particularly for splitting, seem a bit wacky and probably


    are erroneous. This table was generated using hand typed data from
    _Theory of Blackjack_ (and a simple program to process these data)
    and so human error is possible in some of the values. Use at your
    own risk. You can and should reformat the data by hand into the
    format used in _World's Greatest Blackjack Book_. You have thus far
    paid me insufficient funds (my records indicate a total of $0.00 to
    date) to do this grunt work for you or to do the extra work necessary
    to figure out where the wacky values are coming from. See _World's
    Greatest Blackjack Book_ and _Theory of Blackjack_ for more information
    on multiparameter counts.
    For example of how to reformat, you would have an ace adjustment table
    that looked like this:
    DEALER UPCARD
    HAND 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 A
    17+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +2 +3 +2 +1 0
    16+1 +1 +1 0 +1 +1 +1 +1 0 0 etc
    And then a separate table like that for each of the other cards you
    wish to side count. With this count, it would be a good idea to
    side count 6's 7's and 8's in one group, for maximum bang for brain
    cells. You can do this by averaging their adjustment values.
    [There is no more plain text after this point, just tables of numbers,
    so you may wish to skip the rest of this article. Remember, the
    columns
    below are the side count cards.]
    DEALER A
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    0 1 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 3 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 1 3 3 -1 -1 -2
    0 0 0 0 1 3 3 3 -2 -2
    -1 0 0 0 0 3 3 3 3 -2
    DOUBLING 11-10
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
    HITTING SOFT 18
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 2 3 0 0 -2 0 1 0 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(88)(77)(66)(33)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -6 -2 2 1 1 3 1 1 5 -2
    -2 0 0 2 2 -2 0 2 2 -1 -87-71-89-65 64 78241 38 60-42 1 1 2 3 3 -1 -2 -3 -4 0 -4 2 8 7 3 -13 -14 -11 10 3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1


    DEALER 10
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1 1 2 3 -2 -2 -1 1 0 -1 0 0 1 2 2 -1 1 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 2 3 1 0 -1 -1 0 -1 0 0 1 2 7 0 -1 -2 0 -1 -1 0 0 1 6 6 -2 -3 0-1-1-1-1 0 4 5 6 -3
    DOUBLING 11-10
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
    -2 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1
    HITTING SOFT 18
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 14 7-2-1 -1 -5 -2 1 0
    SPLITTING (88)(33)(22)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 -1 -1
    1 0 -3 -1 0 4 7 7 -2 -3
    1 -1 0 0 -1 0 0 5 5 -3
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
    DEALER 9
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 2 3 3-2 -2 -2 -2 0 -1 1 1 1 2 2 -1 -2 0 0 -1 0 0 0 1 2 2 -2 0 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 2 3 3 0 -1 -2 0 0 -1 -1 0 2 3 8 -2 -3 0 0 -1 -1 -1 0 2 8 7 -3
    DOUBLING 11-10
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 -1
    HITTING SOFT 18
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 45 6 -1 -1 -2 -3 -6 -4 0
    SPLITTING (99)(88)(33)(22)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -2 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 -1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 2 0 -1 -1 -8-14-12 -5 23 34 36 -6-12 0-3 0-1-1-2 1 10 8 -3 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 0 -1


    DEALER 8
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    3 3 3 3 -2 -2 -2 -3 -2 0
    1 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -2 0 -1
    1 0 1 2 2 2 -2 -2 0 -1
    1 0 0 1 2 2 3 -3 -1 -1
    1 0 0 -1 1 3 3 3 -1 -2
    0 -1 -1 -2 -1 1 3 3 8 -3
    DOUBLING 11-9
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 2 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 -1
    HITTING SOFT 18
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 33 3 0 0 -1 -1 -2 -3 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING 18
    31 44 48-28-29-24-20-14-35 7
    SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -3 0 1 1 1 1 2 2 0 -1
    1 2 3 4 -4 -5 -6 5 4 -1
    1 1 2 3 3 -1 -2 -2 -2 0
    -1 20 35 23 2-46-56-54 6 18 2 -5 -5 -6 -8 -2 6 25 26 -8 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1
    DEALER 7
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 2 2 2 0-1-1-1-1 -1 1 1 2 2 2 -1 -2 -2 -2 0 1 1 2 2 2 2 -2 -2 -2 -1 1 0 1 2 2 2 2 -3 -3 -1 1 0 0 1 2 2 2 3 -4 -2 1 -1 -1 -1 0 2 3 3 3 -3
    DOUBLING 11-8
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 2 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 2 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    HITTING SOFT 17
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10


    2 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A7)(A6)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -3 -8 -9 9 7 6 5 4 -2 -2
    1 -1 -1 0 5 3 1 0 -2 -2
    SPLITTING (99)(66)(33)(22)(AA)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -7 -3 2 3 1 3 4 2 -1 -1 1 1 2 2 2 -2 -2 -2 -3 0 -1 12 14 13 -2-21-26-25 7 7 -13 3 21 39 15 -2-12-60-60 17 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    DEALER 6
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 -2
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    1 -1 -1 2 3 1 1 0 0 -1
    1 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 -1
    2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    2 1 1 1 1 -2 0 0 -1 -1
    2 2 1 1 1 -1 -2 0 -1 -1
    2 1 2 1 1 0 -1 -2 -1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    0 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    2 2 2 1 1 -1 -2 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 2 2 -1 -1 -1 0 -1
    1 1 1 2 2 0 0 -2 -2 -1
    DEALER 5
    HITTING 17-12


    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 -1
    -1 -1 2 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    -1 -1 -1 2 3 3 1 0 0 -1
    0 0 0 0 3 3 0 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 3 0 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 -2 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -2 -1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 0 1 1 2 1 0 0 -1 -1
    0 2 2 1 1 0 -1 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 2 2 1 -1 -1 0 -1
    0 1 1 2 2 2 0 -1 -2 -1
    DEALER 4
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 2 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 2 0 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -2
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 2 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1


    -1 -1 1 2 2 1 1 0 -1 -1
    -1 -2 -2 3 3 3 3 1 0 -2
    1 -1 -1 0 3 3 3 0 -1 -2
    2 0 0 0 0 4 3 0 -1 -2
    2 1 1 1 1 0 2 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -2 -1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(44)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -2
    0 0 1 2 2 1 0 -2 -1 -1
    -1 0 1 3 3 3 2 -4 -5 0
    DEALER 3
    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1 -1
    1 1 1 2 2 0 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -2
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1 -1
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1
    -1 -1 1 2 2 2 1 1 -1 -1
    -1 -3 -4 3 3 3 3 3 0 -2
    1-1-2-2 4 4 4 4-1-2 3 -1 -1 0 0 4 4 4 -1 -3 2 1 0 1 1 0 2 2 -1 -2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 1 -1 -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1 -1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 0 1 2 1 1 1 1 -1 -1 -1-1-2-2 5 5 3 4 -2 -2 0 0 0 0 1 2 2 2 0 -2 0 0 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 1 1 5 7 6 2 -8 -19 1
    DEALER 2


    HITTING 17-12
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 -1
    1 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0 -1
    0 0 1 1 2 2 0 0 -1 -1
    0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -1 -1
    0 0 0 0 1 2 2 2 -1 -2
    0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 2 -2
    DOUBLING 11-7
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
    0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 -1
    0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 -2
    0 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 -2
    SOFT DOUBLING (A9)-(A2)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1
    -1 -2 1 1 2 2 2 1 0 -2
    -1 -3 -5 2 4 4 3 3 2 -2
    1 -2 -3 -4 4 4 4 4 4 -3 4 -1 -2 -3 -2 6 5 5 4-4 3 1 0 -1 0 -1 2 2 2 -2 2 1 1 0 1 0 -1 1 1 -2 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1 1 -1
    SPLITTING (99)(77)(66)(33)(22)
    A 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
    -1 0 1 1 2 1 1 1 0 -1
    -3 -3 -3 -4 5 7 5 6 4 -4
    0 0 0 -1 1 2 3 2 2 -2
    0 0 1 1 2 0 -1 -2 1 -1
    -1 2 2 5 7 5 0 -12 -15 2


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    Heres Hi-opt 1 with Ace and 7 param chart..


    https://www.blackjackreview.com/wp/a...eck-blackjack/
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Jackson View Post
    "Hi-opt 1 with Ace and 7 param chart."
    Thanx muchly for this.

    I play pitch games using Hi-Opt II with Ace and Seven Side Counts.

    This is not as strong, but it is rather easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Thanx muchly for this.

    I play pitch games using Hi-Opt II with Ace and Seven Side Counts.

    This is not as strong, but it is rather easy.

    This is the best calculator for online BJ : https://wizardofodds.com/games/black...nd-calculator/

    PERFECT PLAY ! PLAYING EFFICIENCY = 0.9999 ! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Thanx muchly for this.

    I play pitch games using Hi-Opt II with Ace and Seven Side Counts.

    This is not as strong, but it is rather easy.
    It looks like with HO1 the A/7 side-cuont brings your pe. up to about .736 and with the 8 params it raises to about .811..

    Hey Zen, can i ask if youve ever played or seen "face-up" DD blackjack? And if not,(for this reason alone) do you prefer to play heads-up to reduce the amount of un-seen cards when playing with others?

    Oh. And in case you havent seen this yet..Theres some good info here under casino listings that may be beneficial to you and/or others...
    https://www.blackjackreview.com/wp/casino-listings/
    Last edited by Jack Jackson; 10-22-2017 at 01:20 AM.
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Jackson View Post
    "Hey Zen, can i ask if youve ever played or seen "face-up" DD blackjack?
    ...do you prefer to play heads-up to reduce the amount of un-seen cards
    when playing with others?"
    Over the years I have played a great deal of
    of Double Deck BJ both face-up and face-down;
    but not for the reason you state. I don't have a
    problem "counting by inference."

    In 2016 I played face-up BJ for just 108 hours.

    Heads-up play is always my preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Hey Don S. Why are players worrying about something very difficult to define that no longer exists?
    What no longer exists? Playing efficiency? It exists but isn't sufficient by itself to estimate the attractiveness of a particular count. SCORE incorporates more parameters.

    Don

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