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    Which of the following would you recommend playing?

    Hey guys, I did some scouting at nearby casinos and wanted to get your thoughts on whether I should play any of the following:
    1. 8D, S17, DAS, NRSA, no surrender, ENHC, 65-75% penetration; no membership/ID required, min bet is 10

    2. 4D, S17, DAS, NRSA, no surrender, ENHC; membership/ID required or you can enter as a guest but still need to provide ID, min bet is 10

    3. 6D, S17, DAS, NRSA, no surrender, ENHC; membership/ID required or you can enter as a guest but still need to provide ID, min bet is 10; some CSM but also some dealer shuffled tables

    4. Four or five other member only clubs that have small casinos; need to become a member – I would think minimum bet is at least 10 and probably even 25 at some

    5. There are a couple of casinos that are part of a large chain that use CSMs so I am not even considering them

    All seem to have a minimum bet of 10 (at least at the times I visited) - I was ideally looking a game with a minimum bet of 5, at least to start off, as I am not sure how my skills will hold up in live casino play, and don't like the idea of risking that much when I'm still trying to learn, but at the same time if there are no min 5 games I'm not sure what choice I have..

    Any help/advice appreciated!

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    what is the cut on the 4d and 6d games? probably the 4d is the way to go. scout the 4 or 5 other clubs for conditions there as well. i dunno playing anon is pretty good so it might be worthwhile to just play #1

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    Going from 4 decks to 8 decks cost you .08+ edge. So is keeping your id safe worth that? That's how I look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    what is the cut on the 4d and 6d games? probably the 4d is the way to go. scout the 4 or 5 other clubs for conditions there as well. i dunno playing anon is pretty good so it might be worthwhile to just play #1
    4D pen I would estimate at about 70%. Hard to tell because you can't see the cards when they are in the shoe.

    On the 6D I am not sure. When I went there there was no one playing at the only table that was dealer dealt. The CSM table was ful...

    Playing anonymously would probably be the best way to go judging by the posts I've read here in the forum, but it just severely limits both the choice and amount I can actually play.

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    This is London right? How much practice have you put in away from the table? Are you certain that you can count and make all of the appropriate betting and playing decisions without any mistakes? Another factor is how many tables they have open. Most likely you should just play all the games. Spread your action around so you don't wear out your welcome. Make sure you are not betting too much, it is fine to have a very small spread if your bankroll can't tolerate much more, just make sure to wong out if the count tanks too much.

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    I spent some time in London's ritzy private clubs.
    A famous very high-stakes poker player flew me
    to London, first class, and put me up at the luxe
    Metropolitan Hotel in Mayfair.
    The Private Clubs offer 4 decks for the most part.
    IF this is London, 8 deckers are something new.
    Also, all English games are (always) ENHC.

    So, this is not likely Great Britain, where
    private clubs are bizarrely expensive to join.
    Four figure (non-refundable) membership application.
    High six or seven-figure credit line is expected.
    Applicant MUST be nominated by a member-in-good-standing.
    Yearly dues are low four figures. Formal attire required.
    Unlike public casinos, there are some limited comps available.
    By-Laws that one must sign agreement to, explicitly state that
    they will confiscate your funds and expel you if they feel that
    you are an A.P.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    This is London right? How much practice have you put in away from the table? Are you certain that you can count and make all of the appropriate betting and playing decisions without any mistakes? Another factor is how many tables they have open. Most likely you should just play all the games. Spread your action around so you don't wear out your welcome. Make sure you are not betting too much, it is fine to have a very small spread if your bankroll can't tolerate much more, just make sure to wong out if the count tanks too much.
    I've been practicing for 3 to 4 months now, pretty confident at home but I haven't played in a casino yet.

    For the 8D game, they only had one table that was not CSM. In the 4D place, they had one min 10 game and one min 25, both dealer dealt. The 6D had one CSM table and one dealer dealt (and one dealer dealt min 50 game). Both the 4D and 6D casinos were not really that full, and moving between tables is pretty much impossible given they only have one suitable game in each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NB10 View Post
    I've been practicing for 3 to 4 months now, pretty confident at home but I haven't played in a casino yet.

    For the 8D game, they only had one table that was not CSM. In the 4D place, they had one min 10 game and one min 25, both dealer dealt. The 6D had one CSM table and one dealer dealt (and one dealer dealt min 50 game). Both the 4D and 6D casinos were not really that full, and moving between tables is pretty much impossible given they only have one suitable game in each.
    First is to eliminate all CSM games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    First is to eliminate all CSM games.
    Agreed, which leaves me with effectively one table to play at each place.

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    You should play all of them, assuming they are 'decent enough' games to play. Rotate your play among them, since if you only strictly played any 1 of them overtime you'd be made either way. Your longevity here would be keeping your hours spread across them all. So long as the PEN is at least 75% I'd play all the non-CSM games. Quite often counters get too focused on the best game HE wise. Give me a crappy .66% HE game with ZERO heat ANY DAY over a .15% HE game that's watched like a hawk.

    My advice is to look for games in the following order:
    1) Heat/Tolerance
    2) Penetration
    3) Speed
    4) Side Bets
    5) Rules/HE
    Don't think you have a winning game; know you have a winning game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Romes View Post
    You should play all of them, assuming they are 'decent enough' games to play. Rotate your play among them, since if you only strictly played any 1 of them overtime you'd be made either way. Your longevity here would be keeping your hours spread across them all. So long as the PEN is at least 75% I'd play all the non-CSM games. Quite often counters get too focused on the best game HE wise. Give me a crappy .66% HE game with ZERO heat ANY DAY over a .15% HE game that's watched like a hawk.

    My advice is to look for games in the following order:
    1) Heat/Tolerance
    2) Penetration
    3) Speed
    4) Side Bets
    5) Rules/HE
    Thank you for the advice, much appreciated. Playing all seems like a good option as it would allow plenty of variety and not spending too much time in any one place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    First is to eliminate all CSM games.
    Unless the dealer sucks

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