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    Hi-lo Counters, Friends and Private Messaging

    I am a relatively new Hi-lo counter. I am considering subscribing to this site for the express purpose of private messaging and making friends with other Hi-lo counters. I am not interesting in starting a count debate or justification. I would just like to share and learn from other hi-lo counters. Would anyone else be interested in talking about and sharing information about Hi-lo counting, as well as participating in the main forum? I believe there are ideas and situations that are unique to Hi-lo compared to other the unique ideas that are relevant to other count systems.

    At this time I am just trying to learn to be the very best Hi-Lo counter I can be.

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    First you have to subscribe to have access to private messaging.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetWise21 View Post
    I am considering subscribing to this site for the express purpose of private messaging
    I understand that.

    I was posting to see if anyone was interested in talking about HI-Lo, when posted in the general forum Hi-Lo discussions seem to get derailed and not much is learned except there are a lot of opinions about counts.

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    I would just continue to post concise questions with as much detail as possible. Quite often people don't answer questions because the OP doesn't give enough info... such as "What's my advantage at my local game at TC +3???" Well, we don't know the rules of your local game, etc, etc, for example.

    There are definitely benefits of subscribing to sites. However, I've learned more than I ever thought possible about Hi/Low, and it never required a paid membership to any site. A few books, possibly some simulation software, but if you just want to ask questions and have discussion with informed individuals, just post your questions. Other sites, such as WoV you don't have to be a member to post to the regular blackjack forums. I'm not urging you to go there over here, just saying the sea is big and answers can be found for those who seek them.
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    Romes is that you!
    Youre gambling with an edge podcast was the dogs bollocks - information that some here sorely need.
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    What is there to discuss with the hi lo - theres more information on that than all other counts combined. You want to talk about morse code too?

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    Lets see if I can explain. My reference materials are, Uston, Wong x 2, Malmuth, Snyder, Renzy, Carlson, Turner, Schlesinger, Anderson, Cardoza x 2, Perry, Griffin, Wattenberger, and Smith. I have CVBJ and CV Drills on two iPhones, my IPad my laptop which also incudes CV Data and CVCX along with about a dozen or more practice apps. I belong to one forum and read updates on at least 4 forums. I am a practicing student. I have played about 30 different casinos. I mostly play 6 & 8 deck games mostly red chip, but do play chunking green and have been know to wander in a high limit room and play some black. I am studying Hi-lo and use about 27 indexes.

    I am trying to learn what other Hi-lo players do in the real world, off the pages of a book. Do they use only I18 and fab 4, do they use more indexes, do they play all, do they Wong out? Do they use risk adverse indexes? What is their battle plan? How do they keep from going on tilt? I hoping to fine tune my game. Last outing I won 130 units from a 20 unit buy in, twice in the same night, but went home a loser. I believe there is always more to learn.
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    Definitely learn some more indexes. Memorize 2-3 a day, it takes virtually no effort what so ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    Definitely learn some more indexes. Memorize 2-3 a day, it takes virtually no effort what so ever.
    I use Ken Smiths cards and compare them to Wong's Professional Blackjack for multideck games. I try to use indexes between TC -2 and +6, I don't see a whole lot more than the 27 I use, so that kind of confuses me.

    Ya know what, I am going to sit down with those cards today and see if I missed something that makes sense.
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    I do have about 8 indexes I change for S17 games vs H17 games
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    I do have about 8 indexes I change for S17 games vs H17 games


    What are they?

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