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    At what TC do you play two-hands?

    6-Deck
    Stand on all 17
    DAS
    RSA
    Pay BJ 3:2
    Late Surrender
    Bankroll ~$5000 (I know my bankroll isn't enough so please don't mention about ROR)

    I use FELT-F (full indices) and betting spread of
    TC=0 1 Unit
    TC=1 3 Unit
    TC=2 5 Unit
    TC=3 6 Unit
    TC=4 8 Unit

    Currently I am practicing with CVBJ before going into real play.
    It seems that wonging in at positive TC/playing two hands at positive TC
    are actually necessary in order to actually gain some advantage
    in addition to mastering counting strategy.

    Question: At what TC would you change to two-hands from one-hand in middle of the shoe?
    Also would you change your betting spread when playing two-hands?

    Thank you

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    The true count tends to stay the same (see every thread ever) and if it dives low wong out (especially if you are actually in korea and not worried about heat) you dont have the bankroll to be waiting through negative counts for no reason.
    just play two hands while the count is good - leave when its not go eat some kimchi

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    What he said. You can even set up a fake phone call for whenever the TC goes below -1. But if it's heads up and their policy is not to shuffle the shoe when the table is empty, then you should play all with 2 hands. 2 hands give you a lot more opportunities to parlay so you can raise more with less heat when the count recovers.

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    So you mean,

    1. Wong-in at TC+2,
    2. Play two-hands right from the start,
    3. Wing-out when the TC goes -1?

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    I would start with two hands, dropping to only one in at TC -2.

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    Usually it is not advised to spread from one hand to two mid shoe when the count has gone up. There are appropriate times it can be done, just keep in mind it is a big red flag for counting. Ploppies often change the amount of hands they play, which is why it can be done in the right spots.... Keep in mind how much exposure of your play has been seen by the pit. Your bankroll is small so if you are betting properly at low stakes you should not worry too much about heat at this point... just keep it in mind for when the stakes get higher.

    You did not mention the penetration but the rules are good on that game. Even with that, your small bankroll will require wonging to keep the risk down. As Meistro stated start at two spots and drop to one in low counts or wong out. This is a good approach. The true "backcount" approach of not playing any negative rounds is better suited to a larger casino with multiple pits. You will look very weird in a small casino jumping around on the tables and watching shoes while not playing, you wont blend in at all...

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    Wonging is not the best approach. The best approach is a play all style at heads up tables. The most important thing is to play heads up, especially if rules and penetration are the same. By playing heads up you can easily see 4x as many rounds per hour when compared to playing at a full table. This means your winrate will be 4x higher at a heads up match then at a full table. So of course it would be absurd to leave a heads up game and go join a full table just because the count was negative at the heads up table. Instead you should simply play through the negative count at a minimum bet. Now if you could leave a heads up game to go to another heads up game then it might be worth wonging if the count had tanked and there was still many decks left in the shoe. And of course you should always wong out of a game that it is not heads up to go to a game that is heads up if the count is negative. But you should also not be too obvious about seeking out heads up games because this is a tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    Wonging is not the best approach. The best approach is a play all style at heads up tables. The most important thing is to play heads up, especially if rules and penetration are the same. By playing heads up you can easily see 4x as many rounds per hour when compared to playing at a full table. This means your winrate will be 4x higher at a heads up match then at a full table. So of course it would be absurd to leave a heads up game and go join a full table just because the count was negative at the heads up table. Instead you should simply play through the negative count at a minimum bet. Now if you could leave a heads up game to go to another heads up game then it might be worth wonging if the count had tanked and there was still many decks left in the shoe. And of course you should always wong out of a game that it is not heads up to go to a game that is heads up if the count is negative. But you should also not be too obvious about seeking out heads up games because this is a tell.
    I should have clarified, I was posting under the assumption of ploppies being at the table to eat cards in the negative shoes (if you are not jumping tables.) Heads up is definitely the best and the play all is required.

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    Over/under: 50.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Over/under: 50.

    Don
    what does this mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Over/under: 50
    I'll take the under. Don you shouldn't be tortured with this topic more than 50 times. (Again)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Planisphere View Post
    6-Deck
    Stand on all 17
    DAS
    RSA
    Pay BJ 3:2
    Late Surrender
    Bankroll ~$5000 (I know my bankroll isn't enough so please don't mention about ROR)

    I use FELT-F (full indices) and betting spread of
    TC=0 1 Unit
    TC=1 3 Unit
    TC=2 5 Unit
    TC=3 6 Unit
    TC=4 8 Unit

    Currently I am practicing with CVBJ before going into real play.
    It seems that wonging in at positive TC/playing two hands at positive TC
    are actually necessary in order to actually gain some advantage
    in addition to mastering counting strategy.

    Question: At what TC would you change to two-hands from one-hand in middle of the shoe?
    Also would you change your betting spread when playing two-hands?

    Thank you
    Given the above parameters, 75% pen, play all, 100hph..500unit BR($10).. Heres a few ideas..Starting with TC+1>TC+3 and +4..Sorry to display RoR but its kinda hard not to show when your talking Risk vs Reward..

    22.87(ror)%
    (1plyr)$31.40


    1x1
    2x2
    4x2
    8x2


    ----------


    40.14(ror)%
    (1plyr)$13.59


    2x1
    2x2
    4x2
    ---------------


    16.7(ror)%
    (3plyr)$22.73


    1x1
    2x2
    4x2
    4x3


    -------------


    56.25%(ror)
    (1plyr) $12.45


    3x1
    5x1
    6x1
    8x1
    --------------


    28.6%(ror)
    (1pyr)$34.74


    1x1
    2x1
    5x1
    10x1
    15x1
    Last edited by Jack Jackson; 10-08-2017 at 04:53 PM.
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