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    Can anyone help me with indices and with being strategy for Unbalanced Zen 2 counting

    Need some indices for betting and playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post
    Here you are ...

    ... not that I recommend this count.
    Thanks a lot.

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    Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash
    Here you are ...

    ... not that I recommend this count.

    Why don't you recommend the count?

    Sorry, it just bothers me when a statement is made without giving a reason.

    Thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by terry0222 View Post
    "Why don't you recommend the count?"

    The count is weaker than the "full" ZEN
    , and
    certainly substantially weaker than Hi-Opt II.
    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 10-06-2017 at 07:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Really Ryemo?
    It's not weaker but HO2 is most powerful and Zen 2 next but we can't compare UBZ2 with Zen because Zen is mostly effective pitch games and UBZ2 is better in Shoe and online Blacjack games. The way UBZ2 is helpful for me in Shoe games is really impressive. Unfortunately there are no sources or books which can help me with this count.

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    Norm, I cannot reply to your P.M. as I lack the privilege, but the answer to your question is a resounding NO.

    You deleted my post ~ though I thought that short excerpted tables, graphs, charts, etc. fall under "fair usage".


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    Unbalanced Zen [or "Zen II"] was published as a booklet years ago by George C.





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    jdr.pcs,

    You need to dissuade yourself of the illogical notion that any
    unbalanced count can be particularly strong in a shoe game.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post


    jdr.pcs,

    You need to dissuade yourself of the illogical notion that any
    unbalanced count can be particularly strong in a shoe game.


    That's when compared with KO and HiLo and with any system used for shoe games.

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    In general, threads such as these become relatively meaningless.

    I say this in the context some argue that "Method A" is better than "Method B".....but fail to provide conditions under which a given method will be used.

    We have counting methods that are optimized for shoe games, and counting methods that are optimized for DD games. Some counting methods are "okay" in certain circumstances, but excel with a side count. [often, an Ace side count]. Some counting methods have an extensive set of indexes.

    And then of course, there is always the issue of fatigue and error. Does a two-level count introduce more counting errors? Does a balanced count introduce errors because of errors in estimating decks remaining? Are there additional errors introduced because some people have trouble converting from a running count to a true count while at the tables?

    But I digress. Mostly I am objecting a vigorous defense of a counting method without specifying the conditions under which the method will be used, plus how many indexes are used, side counts, etc.

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    terry0222,


    If a player cannot keep a strong count with, at minimum, a side-count of Aces
    then s/he needs to accept that their level of concentration, short-term memory
    skills, etc. "is what it is" and should use a simple count, as errors in play cost
    money, as do incorrect estimates of shoe penetration, poor recall of indices
    etc. I M H O this is largely an ego problem.
    As I age, I find myself less and less able to play with sublime accuracy.
    Accepting the truth is a bit painful, to understate the case, BUT most
    of us are young and intelligent. Do your best, but be honest with yourself as to
    how well you play under the table conditions that are applicable to 'your' game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    "Skills check"
    A simple algebra quiz.

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