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    It took the police 72 minutes from the first 911 call to get to the shooter's hotel room. That demonstrates breathtaking levels of incompetence on the part of both the police and the hotel security. It should have taken under 15 minutes to count the floors from outside, punch the number in the elevator, follow the sound of gunshots, break the door down, and shoot that asshole. Surely his neighbors in the hotel must have heard the gunshots and reported it to hotel security & 911. By the time police arrived, hotel security should have already been aware of exactly where the gunshots were coming from and been able to point the police to the right place immediately. Were police & hotel security just sitting around twiddling their thumbs for 45 minutes? What the fuck. Victims should sue both the police and the hotel for negligence. A multibillion dollar plus class action lawsuit is not out of the question, considering how many victims there were. Some combination of the legal risk and the brand damage would justify the drop in MGM stock. Their PE is also way too high for a shrinking company, especially after ignoring the one-quarter EPS spike that won't last. MGM is still considerably overvalued.

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    The regular cops got there quickly. One of the hotel security guards was shot through the door. It took SWAT longer to get there with door breaching explosives. I don't think you want traffic cops to try to take a barricaded suspect armed with automatic firepower and who knows what else. The firing lasted 9 to 11 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scroogemcduck View Post
    It took the police 72 minutes from the first 911 call to get to the shooter's hotel room. That demonstrates breathtaking levels of incompetence on the part of both the police and the hotel security. It should have taken under 15 minutes to count the floors from outside, punch the number in the elevator, follow the sound of gunshots, break the door down, and shoot that asshole. Surely his neighbors in the hotel must have heard the gunshots and reported it to hotel security & 911. By the time police arrived, hotel security should have already been aware of exactly where the gunshots were coming from and been able to point the police to the right place immediately. Were police & hotel security just sitting around twiddling their thumbs for 45 minutes? What the fuck. Victims should sue both the police and the hotel for negligence. A multibillion dollar plus class action lawsuit is not out of the question, considering how many victims there were. Some combination of the legal risk and the brand damage would justify the drop in MGM stock. Their PE is also way too high for a shrinking company, especially after ignoring the one-quarter EPS spike that won't last. MGM is still considerably overvalued.
    While not a big fan of Metro, I think you may have jumped to some conclusions that will be proven inaccurate when the real time line of events is published. Why not wait to criticize until we have actual data?

    For example, I understand he got the guns in the room by disassembling them and putting them in luggage. What casino hotel procedure would catch that? Do you think we should have TSA type inspections now when checking in?

    You are correct that the MGM brand is going to take a big hit, but this type of thing could happen at many other Vegas properties.

    The fact is that we are all going to lose lots more personal freedoms and have to endure many more privacy invasions due to this event. Just look back at the world before 9/11. Doing simple things like opening a bank account is now a major invasion of privacy.

    It is a very sad state of affairs............................
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    In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, many NYC office buildings stepped up security a bit, asking for id from visitors. Citigroup Center added an airport type scanner because it was an obvious target. But, it wasn't severe and didn't last long. I wasn't searched going into any office building. Briefcases weren't searched. Now, it's pretty much as though it never happened, as far as invasion of privacy.
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    Bob dancer said he's been interviewed by like 6 different news people. He also said he didn't know of Paddock until after the shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    While not a big fan of Metro, I think you may have jumped to some conclusions that will be proven inaccurate when the real time line of events is published. Why not wait to criticize until we have actual data?

    For example, I understand he got the guns in the room by disassembling them and putting them in luggage. What casino hotel procedure would catch that? Do you think we should have TSA type inspections now when checking in?

    You are correct that the MGM brand is going to take a big hit, but this type of thing could happen at many other Vegas properties.

    The fact is that we are all going to lose lots more personal freedoms and have to endure many more privacy invasions due to this event. Just look back at the world before 9/11. Doing simple things like opening a bank account is now a major invasion of privacy.

    It is a very sad state of affairs............................

    I posted this on another part of the forum but since Stealth wrote something similar and it was subscription portion, I thought you might want another person's viewpoint that worked in area/Vegas. I do believe security procedures will change and there are more so-called "soft targets" in Vegas. Let's pray..........and hope..........that this was the act of a single sick psycho.

    "This may change things in Vegas..........at least as to security. Wynn started metal detecting yesterday. I spoke with my casino manager friend. We had a mini argument about what or what the maids/housekeeping should have noticed. He stated they can NOT look into people's luggage (which I don't expect) but being a gun owner, sure seems to me that you would notice 20+ guns, magazines and ammo in a room. Of course 1000 rounds of handgun ammo does not take up that much space on a bookshelf but 2000+ rifle rounds should be a bit more noticeable. But as he was a high roller and had a suite. And played there often, I know they are not going to inquire much into his activities.

    My friend said they had actually thought this might happen in Vegas but believed it would happen on a weekend at one of the clubs, where there are large crowds congregating en masse in a small space. His group actually had that discussion recently.

    It's a sad day/time my friends. Terrorists, lone wolf psychos, extremists..........they have changed our way of living. Most of it since 9/11. I just wish we could not give in to the government nanny state. But I have no ideas how to prevent this type of deal. Even law abiding, gun carrying, patrons at the concert would have been no good..........nor were the police in prevention. From his viewpoint on the 32nd floor, there was NO chance anyone could defend themselves against that as a typical "concealed carry" person. And I doubt any police official would have given ANY permission to police on the ground to fire back at the Mandalay Hotel, with the number of guests that might have been in rooms around the gunman. Sad, sad time in our country."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJGolf View Post

    "This may change things in Vegas..........at least as to security. Wynn started metal detecting yesterday. I spoke with my casino manager friend. We had a mini argument about what or what the maids/housekeeping should have noticed. He stated they can NOT look into people's luggage (which I don't expect) but being a gun owner, sure seems to me that you would notice 20+ guns, magazines and ammo in a room. Of course 1000 rounds of handgun ammo does not take up that much space on a bookshelf but 2000+ rifle rounds should be a bit more noticeable. But as he was a high roller and had a suite. And played there often, I know they are not going to inquire much into his activities.
    What if the shooter put a "do not disturb" sign on the door, wouldn't housekeeping leave him alone and not get a chance to see all the guns inside?

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    think the chambermaids would've saw something

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    On C.N.N. it was reported that Mr. Paddock filed his Tax Returns as a "Professional Gambler"
    and they stated that he had WON over $5,000,000 (sic) at Video Poker in 2015. No figures
    for 2016 were mentioned.

    Also, here is a link to a great article in the New Yorker [on V.P.] that I just read:


    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...I2MDUyNjY0NgS2
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    Surprisingly good articles on Mr. Paddock's gambling proclivity.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-000-hour.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ter-suite.html

    I saw an interview with Anthony Curtis on C.N.N. that accurately portrayed him as an A. P.


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