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    Someone explain this player. God mode or strangest idiot whale?

    So this guy plays all the games, punto banco, roulette, blackjack, which isn't great EV, but Ian Anderson, like many high rollers, does point out its great cover if you're optimizing not maximizing.

    That's not the point. The point is this guy is clearly counting, he asks me not to join when the count is good, the second it's neutral or negative he gives the Ok. As our playing pool is small in VIP I try to accommodate my fellow ploppies, occasionally. Anyhow. He doesn't cover his bets, raises and lowers with the count.

    Now here's the issue. His playing strategy is horrible. He doesn't take key doubles ( actually lets me buy them off of him, goldmine). He waves off 15's, 14's, basically any stiff against a 7 or 8. Clearly not index plays in any counts when he does it. He loses a lot when playing. But occasionally will make a pile when the count gets real juicy and he brashly throws his bets sky high.

    Overall I'm seeing him losing over the course of the weeks I've observed him.

    So he's either, a rich dope who learned how to count and occasionally employs it, despite his terrible hunch playing.

    Or, this man is losing and losing merely to provide the most insane cover, building for the day he runs a 24 hour session with perfect play, runs good, and blows the casino's coffers.

    What say you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fringe View Post
    So this guy plays all the games, punto banco, roulette, blackjack, which isn't great EV, but Ian Anderson, like many high rollers, does point out its great cover if you're optimizing not maximizing.

    That's not the point. The point is this guy is clearly counting, he asks me not to join when the count is good, the second it's neutral or negative he gives the Ok. As our playing pool is small in VIP I try to accommodate my fellow ploppies, occasionally. Anyhow. He doesn't cover his bets, raises and lowers with the count.

    Now here's the issue. His playing strategy is horrible. He doesn't take key doubles ( actually lets me buy them off of him, goldmine). He waves off 15's, 14's, basically any stiff against a 7 or 8. Clearly not index plays in any counts when he does it. He loses a lot when playing. But occasionally will make a pile when the count gets real juicy and he brashly throws his bets sky high.

    Overall I'm seeing him losing over the course of the weeks I've observed him.

    So he's either, a rich dope who learned how to count and occasionally employs it, despite his terrible hunch playing.

    Or, this man is losing and losing merely to provide the most insane cover, building for the day he runs a 24 hour session with perfect play, runs good, and blows the casino's coffers.

    What say you?


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    I say bad counter/ gambler who's trying but sucks

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    Depends how many mistakes he's making and what he's betting. If he's playing a $500 unit, he can afford to make some errors to throw them off his track. OTOH, blueman may be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueman View Post
    I say bad counter/ gambler who's trying but sucks
    Most likely


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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Depends how many mistakes he's making and what he's betting. If he's playing a $500 unit, he can afford to make some errors to throw them off his track. OTOH, blueman may be right.
    At least one error every two hands. At least.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fringe View Post
    The point is this guy is clearly counting, he asks me not to join when the count is good, the second it's neutral or negative he gives the Ok. As our playing pool is small in VIP I try to accommodate my fellow ploppies, occasionally. Anyhow. He doesn't cover his bets, raises and lowers with the count.

    Now here's the issue. His playing strategy is horrible. He doesn't take key doubles ( actually lets me buy them off of him, goldmine). He waves off 15's, 14's, basically any stiff against a 7 or 8. Clearly not index plays in any counts when he does it.

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    This is what you are wrong. If he uses alternative random number generator that copes with the clumpness, his index play will include waving off 15's, 14's, 13's, 12's, some stiff against 7 or 8, some weird (to you) surrender against 8. There is one thing you can do to judge if he is a ploppy or an alternative counter. Alternative counter will never surrender against 7 because there is no surrender index against 7 even deck is super clumped.

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    16 vs 7 surrender/hit index TC = +9.4 Hi Lo.
    !6 vs 7 hit/stay index TC = +8.1 Hi Lo.

    This option is normal in ST.
    Last edited by Gramazeka; 09-29-2017 at 08:26 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    16 vs 7 surrender/hit index TC = +9.4 Hi Lo.
    !6 vs 7 hit/stay index TC = +8.1 Hi Lo.

    This option is normal in ST.
    These numbers are generated using regular random number generator. If you believe in ASM clumpness and artificially to clump cards then run the simulator, many indexes will be extremely high, you end up stand a lot. That is why this whale/ploppy/AP waives a lot. This is all depending on what a player believes in. And I have seen ploppies stand a lot when cards appear clumped and irregularly. Then these ploppies outperform AP and Basic Strategy players at the table at that moment. The question is if you can put it on a formula or identify it in early stage of a shoe.

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    what is "insane spread"? 1 to 100?

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    It's even better for me if there are fewer decks in the game. Where there will be bitterness for you, it will be honey for me. I'm talking about the function of penetration. And I always use indexes that are dictated to me by a local count. For you it will look like an idiot game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    This is what you are wrong. If he uses alternative random number generator that copes with the clumpness, his index play will include waving off 15's, 14's, 13's, 12's, some stiff against 7 or 8, some weird (to you) surrender against 8. There is one thing you can do to judge if he is a ploppy or an alternative counter. Alternative counter will never surrender against 7 because there is no surrender index against 7 even deck is super clumped.
    Interesting. Would ASM cut this idea short...?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fringe View Post
    Interesting. Would ASM cut this idea short...?


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    Someone explain this player. God mode or strangest idiot whale?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    Are you a casino manager?
    Sure. I also think it's funny how smart people can be on this forum and yet lack such critical interpersonal skills. Who wants to even read the rest of someone's post when the first words are: "you're wrong"

    No ones even making a point...

    This is why half of these "counters" get backed off and barred before they can even make a dollar. To think you're superior..
    Last edited by Fringe; 09-29-2017 at 10:05 PM.

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