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    New member and a question

    Hi All,
    my name is Chris and I am more than happy to have just joined the forum.
    Currently living in Vienna (Austria). Look forward to great interaction here, seems to be a truly awesome forum with lots of like-minded people and fact based discussions, which is a true gem in todays Internet times.
    So far I have not gone beyond trying to properly play basic strategy but am eager to improve my game!

    Also have a question for you guys here. I was just looking at the website of my closest Casino and saw the following two alternative BJ options being Offered

    http://www.casinos.at/de/wien/spiel/black-jack

    1) Black Jack exchange: Allows you to play two boxes in parallel and exchange each of the second cards that you get in one box with the second card from your other box.

    2) black jack Vegas
    Dealer must stand on all 17s
    Black Jack and 777 pays 6:5
    Bust pays 5:2
    Insurance pays 2:1
    Specific Black Jack:
    Ace of Spades & Jack of Spades pays 5:1

    what do you think of those options?

    look forward to lots of great discussions
    cheers
    chris
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    So every time the dealer busts you get paid 5 to 2 ?
    Are you sure about that?

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    Hi Andre,
    thats at least what it says on the website (link included in original post) that part is in English on right hand side of website. Will go to the place and check out in real life what the rules are

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    Bust pays 5:2 is a side bet.
    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB View Post
    2) black jack Vegas
    Black Jack pays 6:5
    Vegas blackjack all right.

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    There ought to be a UN resolution against casinos' criminal 6:5 payouts on blackjacks. To me, such mistreatment of the masses, definitely rises to the level of crimes against humanity (or at least APs), and perhaps the financial genocide of innocent ploppies.
    "Your honor, with all due respect: if you're going to try my case for me, I wish you wouldn't lose it."

    Fictitious Boston Attorney Frank Galvin (Paul Newman - January 26, 1925 - September 26, 2008) in The Verdict, 1982, lambasting Trial Judge Hoyle (Milo Donal O'Shea - June 2, 1926 - April 2, 2013) - http://imdb.com/title/tt0084855/

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    I'll walk across the street and suggest that. If they'll let me out of the building. Streets been on and off blockaded today.
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    So it seems like the consensus is that both alternatives are not worth exploring if i get it right. Forgive me , i am a German so i need a certain level of bluntness to really get it ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Vegas blackjack all right.
    6:5 blackjacks is not alright. Also the exchange sounds like blackjack switch with the push 22 feature. They both look pretty shitty to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB View Post
    So it seems like the consensus is that both alternatives are not worth exploring if i get it right. Forgive me , i am a German so i need a certain level of bluntness to really get it ;-)
    I am known to have difficulty in expressing my thoughts.

    It's fucking awful. Hopefully, I've been able to convey my opinion.

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    Thx freightman, got it. Much appreciated :-)

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    The value of the 7-7-7 bonus is nearly
    zero when paying just 6/5. In Spanish21
    it pays 3/2, 2/1 or 3/1, depending upon
    whether the 7's are unsuited, suited, or
    spaded, and that averages out to be a
    payoffof about 8/5. 6/5 is equivalent to
    a 20% bonus while 8/5 is the equivalent
    to a 60% bonus gain!

    A dealer bust pays 6/5 BUT playing
    heads-up the dealer bust percentage
    is markedly decreased for obvious
    reasons. Overall, the dealer bust rate
    approximates 28%, but you are not
    gaining anything when you bust.
    IF you modify your play to reduce the
    chances of your busting your game will
    completely go to hell. Send me a postcard.

    As far as the 5-1 BJ payoff on (just) the
    Ace-Jack of Spades goes, considering that of
    all of your BJ's, 1/4 will involve the Spaded Ace
    but only 1/16th will be with the Spaded Jack.
    Multiplying the two variable's frequencies we
    come to 1/4 X 1/16 or once in every 64th BJ.
    Now we see that BJ's will occur about 4% of
    the time, or once in every 22 hands. But NOW
    we come to the (sad) conclusion that the bonus
    of a 5-1 payoff to a random player will be paid
    out to the (gullible) players once per every 22
    hands X 16 = once in every 352 hands. If playing
    with a typical dealer you'll see from 80 to 120 per
    hrs. but in an online game, this will be faster, so
    using 100 hands per hour, you'll have seen this
    payoff once per 3.6 hrs. During that time you'd
    expect to see the 6/5 payoffs on about 15 hands.
    You will be gaining 3.5 units [once] for the evening
    and be losing 0.3 units X 18 hands [6/5 payoffs] for
    a loss of 5.4 units. 5.4 -3.5 = 1.9 units for the session
    compared to the full pay (3/2) payoff for BJs.
    Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 09-20-2017 at 12:56 PM.

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    Thanks so much zenmaster, awesome info. The only one i am not yet sure about is the 5 to 2 payout (not 6 to 5 as i think you wrote) for dealer bust. And whether this only a side bet or part of the standard rules

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