Newbie here. While playing hundreds of DD or SD hands in Casino Verite (with Hi Lo or KO) I do not find that utilizing the count makes much of a difference at all. In fact it mostly makes me bust on higher bets more often, which leads to more loss (playing perfect basic strategy). I am about to hit a casino which has alot of DD games with decent house advantage. What is the best strategy for DD and SD? Is counting A/5 an easier system for DD games? Thanks
Just because we have a ++EV situation does NOT mean we will win all hands. This simply means we, as counter, will experience much more winning expectations at that count on average as opposed to those counts where we have -EV. Simply put: yes, you will bust more often under +EV counts, but you will also see an increase in BJ and winning doubles. Remember, you get doubles, splits, and 3:2 on naturals, the dealer gets a 1:1 take on their wins.Originally Posted by bjisdirty
If you are looking to play SD and DD, I would look towards either Zen or HOII w/ ASC. High Low and KO are good for shoes as they have a higher BC and require only keeping one number to track your advantage.
Q: Do you count during DD games?
A: Yes, of course.
Q:What is the best strategy for DD and SD?
A: Hi-Opt2 or Tarzan's count are the best. Others may work better for you personally.
Q: Is counting A/5 an easier system for DD games?
A: A/5 is the easiest count of which I am aware. It is much easier than just about everything.
Counting is no guarantee you will win today. Counting means you are trying to will win in the long-term.
If you don't count, and simply play basic strategy, you are playing a losing game.
I wouldn't say counting offers a big edge, but it's the most common way that people seek an edge, and without counting or some other advantage play, you should not expect to make money over the long run.
Much of this forum is dedicated to the discussion of counting and how to squeeze out the greatest possible edge.
Before you throw out counting, you might consider that game selection is a very important aspect. Why are you playing single and double deck games with 3 or 4 other players?
Don't, exercise patience. Sometimes the most positive EV is to not play.
Casino Verite is the gold standard of training software, and we can appreciate that you have it mastered. Be aware that Single and DD games are highly protected in most venues and if you do not have a good "plan", including selecting the correct games, then you are about to burn yourself just as you get started.
The last thing you should be looking for is a simpler count than HiLo or KO. Spend some energy developing creative bet spreads that will assist in longevity. As I was once told, it ain't the arrows, its the Indian!
Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!
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"Sorry for the post length but things need to be explained to players as green as Bjisdirty. Hopefully he could understand it."
Freightman advocates that
"Long term expectation rises faster than the the square root of bullshit, when answers are short, simple and to the point." Sorry for the length of my comments
Don't waste time with A5 count. Play at least Hilo. Preferably a level 2 system when playing DD games.
Also don't play a crowded table. You still have the advantage on positive counts but your game speed is way slower and you will see far less advantage situations. Heads up on DD is what you need to seek.
I remember when I was new I played crowded tables as I was just super excited to play and get rounds in. It's not about just getting rounds in, it's about getting quality rounds in. Develop the patience to only accept good table conditions before you play. It can suck to get somewhere only to find crowded tables and unfavorable conditions. Trust me don't play... you will thank yourself later...
And once you "learn" to count; it is impossible to "unlearn" it.............Why WOULDN'T you count at DD games? Or ANY game for that matter? LOL
May the "variance" be with you, newbie!
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Seems an appropriate time to bring up the rule of eleven as re: DD. w/apologies to Flash...
The Rule of 11 in Double Deck play ...
I cannot recall the source of this, but I would like some feedback:
Rule of 11 is a basic way to determine whether or not a DD game (based on penetration) is "acceptable" to play. Take 11 and subtract the number of players that are at the table, and that will tell you what cut you need to make that game playable. The more people sitting at the table, the better the cut will need to be to make the game worth playing.
Examples:
11 - 1 player = 10 (1.0 cut)
11 - 4 players = 7 (.7 cut)
11 - 2 players = 9 (.9 cut)
11 - 5 players = 6 (.6 cut)
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