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    What Count System Do You Use

    I'm not looking for a discussion about what count is better. I'm just wondering what system you use. I think most who have been on this board for awhile know who are the top notch players. I'm just wondering if they use something above a level one system.

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    Hi-Opt II
    with Ace Side Count ~ [and Seven (7) Side Count in pitch games.]

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    Unfortunately, you are asking the reader to judge himself as to whether or not they are "top notch" players.

    I will be amused by this thread as the vast majority of the readers of this thread are anything but "top notch."

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    Mr.Zen! Whom would you regard to be a top notch player? The one with a massive bankroll? Or a player with a decent counting system? Or both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    "Whom would you regard to be a top notch player?"
    An Expert or a Professional who is a veteran at the tables and has, over the course

    of several consecutive years, has won a significant amount. A Professional is a player

    whose "skills pay the bills" to a degree that they can live a comfortable lower middle-class

    existence without "earned income" or dependence upon a spouse or S. O. to pay the bills.

    To answer your pointed question, a sufficient bankroll is requisite for serious play

    but that is incidental and subject to unforeseen circumstances as a bankroll can be

    rapidly diluted. Recently I lent a substantial amount of money to an expert level

    Card Counter - who posts here - who had sudden unforeseen five figure expenses

    due to family obligations. I was quickly repaid.

    On this website there are some who rarely post and those who, like myself, post to

    excess. The former group probably includes some very strong players whom I have

    never met. I shan't judge them. Sadly, there is a coterie of weak players who post

    AS IF they knew what they are talking about, but don't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    I'm not looking for a discussion about what count is better. I'm just wondering what system you use. I think most who have been on this board for awhile know who are the top notch players. I'm just wondering if they use something above a level one system.
    I am using a level 3 card counting system that I created myself. In double games the level 3 count performs very very close SCORE to Hi-opt II with aces side count but outperforms the Wong Halves. In 6-8 deck games I was able to get it to almost the same SCORE as the Wong Halves.

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    Seriousplayer! Do you use some sort of KO variation created by yourself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    Seriousplayer! Do you use some sort of KO variation created by yourself?

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    No, it is not a KO variation but I used the backbone of the concepts of KO to develop the count. Like formula in KO use to convert to true count. But not using KO tag values. Got rid of using compromise indices.

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    I too, like to use a custom count for MD..Its similiar to RPC(just as easy) but hods a slightly better BC...2222210-1-2-2(.987)
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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    NOT a TOP NOTCH Player, NOT one who lives on or pays any regular living expenses via BJ. I use HiLO, started with $15K BR in 2014, it now stands a bit over $50k, this year, 8 months in, up about $16k. Play roughly 35 hours (at table) a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Play roughly 35 hours (at table) a month.
    Remind me of your statistical $/hr vs your actual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Jackson View Post
    2222210-1-2-2
    I agree that the B.C. is fine for shoe games; though the I.C. is dreadful
    due to the bundling of the 9's and the Aces together with the 10's; but
    for pitch games, this is not a count that I'd employ due to the low P.E.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Jackson View Post
    I too, like to use a custom count for MD..Its similiar to RPC(just as easy) but hods a slightly better BC...2222210-1-2-2(.987)
    This is EBJ 2 by Richard Reid.

    https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...rd-reid.24544/
    "Don't Cast Your Pearls Before Swine" (Jesus)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramazeka View Post
    This is EBJ 2 by Richard Reid.

    Thanks! I Knew Snyder Had it listed on his count systems page, but never could find it published anywhere..

    Thanks to Flash as well...
    http://bjstrat.net/cgi-bin/cdca.cgi

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