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Thread: Anyone here ever lost 200 max. Bets during a prolonged losing streak?

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    Anyone here ever lost 200 max. Bets during a prolonged losing streak?

    I have. The math says it's near -4 sigma.
    Just curious.

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    I am "new" to all this but I would take a hard look at my game and have another established AP take a look as well

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    80 to 90 max bets i believe and then i was resizing already. BTW i played very aggressive games ( i considered) . that was during a 3000 hours stretch

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    Hmmm. 200 Max Bets on a $25 shoe game with good rules means spreading (politely) $25 to $200
    and $200 X 200 = $40,000 during a "prolonged losing streak." In my experience, this "feels" more
    like 2 SD than 4 SD. That is to say, yes, it can and it does happen, which is why most card counters
    have serious bankroll concerns when they do not have $100,000 cash "behind them." Dropping nearly
    half of their cash means that they are no longer able to (rationally) handle the aforementioned spread
    in a $25 game. In the experience of (most) card counters, they will be crestfallen at that point, as their
    R.O.R. will simply explode to far more than double. If they have to drop to a $15 table they will have to
    cope with tables full of annoying
    ploppies and possibly worse rules! I say that this is depressing as the
    reality is that the counter feels that s/he is 'cursed', cheated, or that they have simply failed badly in
    their endeavors to win significant money and this results in an assault upon their fragile egos, as young
    card counters have tied their success at blackjack to their self-esteem. THUS, the requisite emotional
    stability that is a foundational key to success may have been lacking.


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    Havent had anywhere close gto gthat bad a loss. Went down almost $9k in the first 2 months of this year, followed by 6 straight winning months where I won $24k. Leaving me up about `16k for the year to date.

    Losing streaks and paranoia sets in. In my last 10 sessions, I have had 3 losing sessions at the same casino, won all the rest. This one casino, deep penn (almost 80%) and bad rules at DD, where I lost all three sessions and some $3400 ($1500, $400 and another $1500) but had won earlier in the year. Three losing sessions in one casino, winning everywhere else and I wonder what it is they might be doing because I seem to keep losing there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    Hmmm. 200 Max Bets on a $25 shoe game with good rules means spreading (politely) $25 to $200
    and $200 X 200 = $40,000 during a "prolonged losing streak." In my experience, this "feels" more
    like 2 SD than 4 SD.

    Flash; With a 1-24 unit spread and a duration of 270 hours, it's -4 SD.
    Game is not good, but convenient. It's 6 dks, H17, DAS, RSA and a 1.8 to 2.0 deck cutoff (the old horizontal cut card flat across the top of the shoe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash View Post

    Hmmm. 200 Max Bets on a $25 shoe game with good rules means spreading (politely) $25 to $200
    and $200 X 200 = $40,000 during a "prolonged losing streak." In my experience, this "feels" more
    like 2 SD than 4 SD. That is to say, yes, it can and it does happen, which is why most card counters
    have serious bankroll concerns when they do not have $100,000 cash "behind them." Dropping nearly
    half of their cash means that they are no longer able to (rationally) handle the aforementioned spread
    in a $25 game. In the experience of (most) card counters, they will be crestfallen at that point, as their
    R.O.R. will simply explode to far more than double. If they have to drop to a $15 table they will have to
    cope with tables full of annoying
    ploppies and possibly worse rules! I say that this is depressing as the
    reality is that the counter feels that s/he is 'cursed', cheated, or that they have simply failed badly in
    their endeavors to win significant money and this results in an assault upon their fragile egos, as young
    card counters have tied their success at blackjack to their self-esteem. THUS, the requisite emotional
    stability that is a foundational key to success may have been lacking.

    Reading Zen's posts is always a truly relatable and enjoyable experience. It's rare to find myself knowing I will enjoy what I read on a forum. In a book, sure, favorite authors. But forum posts? Glad to have this man aboard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    " ... down almost $9k in the first 2 months of this year,
    followed by 6 straight winning months where I won $24k.
    Leaving me up about 16k for the year to date."
    24 - 9 = 16 in Zee's wonderful world of BJ.
    If that is how you handle simple arithmetic ...


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    Fred - I don't believe so, but just wanted to say hi. Been many years. Wondered what happened to you...

    Flash - LOL.

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    Nice to see Renzy posting somewhere again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzey View Post
    Anyone here ever lost 200 max. Bets during a prolonged losing streak?

    I have. The math says it's near -4 sigma.
    Just curious.
    At 2 standard deviations I am curious and introspective.

    At 3 standard deviations I am nearing lightening strike territory and am concerned.

    At 4 standard deviations, I am looking for a problem in (1) my records, (2) the math, (3) error rates and my games veracity. If no issue found, then I am staying indoors to avoid a meteor strike and a simultaneous lightening strike.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    then I am staying indoors to avoid a meteor strike and a simultaneous lightening strike.
    On the plus side, you will enjoy your lottery winnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renzey View Post
    Flash; With a 1-24 unit spread and a duration of 270 hours, it's -4 SD.
    Wow - 200 max bet loss in 270 hours! You've experienced this and are still playing? Honestly, if I had a run like that, I'd either quit (probably half way there) and/or hire a private investigator to check out the games I was playing to see if I was being cheated. I certainly wouldn't even think about questioning my gaming skill because that factor is miniscule compared to the variance you've experienced.

    The odds of a -4 SD event are about 1 in 31,500. So if you're logging 810 hours per year (three 270-hour sessions per year), you would expect this unfortunate occurrence to happen about once every 10,500 years! (Global warming will kill us all off long before then ). Looking at it another way, if you take a group of 31,500 serious blackjack players who all play a 270-hour session, one of them would have this kind of luck.

    What would be even more amazing would be if someone responded to your post and claimed that they too had a run like that....

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