No, they were three small cards and dealer had BJ.Originally Posted by Freightman
I requested it be a misdeal, but the dealer told me it wasn't while scooping up my cards and bet. I decided to not push it with the pit because it was the pit boss who often reminds me to not ask for free things. I just left.
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That is do absolutely outrageous, you could never be accused by the critter if anything.
ALSO, for everyone - dealer is not entitled to make any rulings. Fuck him. This is a call for the pit to make. If anybody screws you, let the pit do it.
No-one mentioned the player cut.
Are you assuming that by sleight-of-hand he nullified the player cut ?
Everything is possible, but the common use of two cut cards makes it more difficult for them.... plus the bottom cut card stops them dealing bottoms. IIRC Basic Blackjack has a fairly good section on cheating in pitch games.
I have walked away once from from a suspicious SD dealer. Fit all the stereotypes, kept getting the right cards. I had a shoe swapped on me for a short shoe in the Caribbean while playing OU13, that's the only time I know for sure I was cheated.
What worries me about cheating is that if they are any good, you won't know it (unlike the story below about a moron who felt he had to take pride in his work and display it). And as APs we're used to saying "hey, it's a great game - plus I'm losing - great cover - I'll keep playing"....
Zen this is happening at the Indian casinos i play, just last night 11 cards left before cutoff, monster count, placing my bet... nope early shuffle.
then i wait for another good deck... boss sends new dealer over for dealer change wont complete the 2 remaining hands in the DD shoe.
Another place has dealer changes on 20min rotation, i started stopwatch timing and when count is good they show up early and interrupt the shoe.
The preferential shuffling also depends on the dealer, the same ones who give you bad penetration tend to do it.
In the case of the early rotation, most dealers probably don't know why, one was telling me management sends out memos stressing that when they rotate to a table they interrupt the shoe immediately and do not allow another hand to be dealt as the policy. Why would this be policy? when casino know even ploppies hate their cards being interrupted and theoretically it cost the casino more money to interrupt a shoe. In SOME of these cases they have the deck count and house wants an early shuffle.
Ive recently made friends with a counting dealer on the side, at one of these sweat joints, im treading carefully and will see what he has to say about their procedures.
Last edited by hypercube; 08-15-2017 at 07:24 AM.
Hypercube,
My (quasi) error.
I actually do not consider Native American Enterprises
casinos when I am talking about casinos.
I am NOT justifying that. It is NOT intentional.
Reservation casinos are on sovereign land. Enuf' said.
My response to your post is two-fold.
A. Why would you play there? Masochism? Using counterfeit cash?
B. Why are you not revealing the name of this criminal enterprise?
A:
I am in OK working for a company away from family 50% and it is my only option. The other 50% of my time I am in another state with no gambling and there is nothing close by. I work a normal professional salary job and have family responsibilities which does not leave time for taking road trips for good games. My normal work day, i work 8-5, then drive an hour to a Indian casino, rotating the casino depending on day of week, play 2-4 hours, drive home. I do this everyday, then after 2 weeks I go home to work from home in another state and spend time with family.
B:
Whats the point, name any of the tribes, I've witnessed it happening at creek, osage, and cherokee.
Despite bad rules, I am still showing consistent profitability. As a new player I am above EV with low variance, I am a bit concerned that I have yet to experience negative variance beyond one session, ill post a new thread about it.
When it happened last night the other player from england commented this never happens anywhere in europe where they would allow a dealer change in the middle of a DD shoe. Every Indian casino in OK I've played the new dealer will not wait and will interrupt the shoe.
Last edited by hypercube; 08-15-2017 at 11:22 AM.
This happens everywhere I play except a store where DD is dealt face up out of shoe; the new dealer burns a card just like a 6 or 8 deck shoe. Hate it when count is high, love it when count is negative. Guess it evens out. Sometimes you can convince dealer to deal one more round when their relief arrives.
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