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    Cover play

    Wanted to get the thoughts of more experienced players, what are the most effective cover plays for lessening heat whilst minimising the amount of EV sacrificed?

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    Zee brings up an excellent pint. First, my own excellent point. I don't give a shit what simple or fancy schmancy count system one uses. A big spread can be hidden in any of them . Just got to be smart enough to do it.

    Zees point
    When you make as many bad lays as Zee-who gives a shit if he's counting or not. Many counters will fail because they are bad, or under capitalized etc. Etc.

    Just saw my misspelling about Zees lays. To good an error to correct

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    Do you mind sharing the ways you disguise a big bet spread? Do you only move bet size by one increment watch round? Does this method not give up a lot of EV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NB10 View Post
    Do you mind sharing the ways you disguise a big bet spread? Do you only move bet size by one increment watch round? Does this method not give up a lot of EV?
    Requires a stronger type bankroll. Think opposition betting. Thing dynamic betting. Link below will put you in the right direction. The methods have frankly been talked about to much in an open forum.

    https://www.blackjackinfo.com/commun...rd-reid.24544/

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    Three wrote: Always stand on 16vT. If you are wonging like you should be it costs almost nothing.

    Anytime you Wong in at a positive count, this play isn't a "cover play", it's an index play! And of course, it cost nothing, in fact it's the move to be made.
    Standing 16 vs 10 in a negative count IS a cover play. The cost of this play will depends on your bet spread.
    G Man

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    The standing on 16v10 great advice. Also of you find yourself hovering right on an index point and it doesn't really matter one way or other.... ask the dealer or floor what you should do and let them suggest your action and do what they say. Makes you look dumber and costs little to nothing. This mostly would apply to 12s, 15s, 16s, and some double hands etc. Hands that ploppies differ on. Some hit 12s, some dont etc... don't ask the dealer or floor what to do when you have an A9vs 6. You already know an overwhelming majority of times what the answer will be.

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    Three wrote: There are other types of wonging. I was referring more to bailing out of some more negative counts.

    Next time try to differenciate Wong in and Wong out, it's A LOT DIFFERENT!
    G Man

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    Should have none better...You are rarely "guilty" of anything.
    G Man

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    I read your semi long winded reply, which missed the point. The answer actually lies within some of your long winded novellos. That being said, I think it wise that dialogue along this line cease.

    Btw, my fortune cookie today states - your ability to analyze different situations makes you successful - so true.
    You have a tendency of taking the very simple and complicating the ever living shit out if it. I look at complicated things, and simplify them, so all can understand. Simply a different approach, but I made a good living at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    I don't. After Don published that in his book that eventually became the tell tale sign you were counting because almost all counters did it. It costs a lot and games are not as good as they used to be. I do try to construct a ramp so that I am not called to make hard bet moves much. Like jumping a betting bin is equal to or less than doubling your bet. Like 1-1.5-2-3-4-6-8-10-15-20. This way more than doubling your bet is rarely called for. Of course with a level 1 count you may have to use fractional betting bin barriers because whole number TCs just don't work this way for a level 1 count. But it works for my count and some other level 2 counts should be able to do this as well. But picking the structure of your ramp so that bet moves are more natural for your count can be a useful thing.
    What count do you use?

    It seems like there are limited direct cover plays you can use without significantly affecting EV, other than a couple of index playa like 16v10.

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    3, it's easy enough to figure out what it is you're talking around when you talk around it enough. Long-windedness only keeps those with short attention spans from figuring out what you mean. Not all you speak of is so thinly veiled, but once enough posts are read the puzzle pieces fit together even on your more heavily cloaked ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    I used to be more direct but the casinos were changing things to adjust for what I was discussing. That was not a good thing to be causing. I should probably just not answer people which was the second choice I talked about. The idea is you have to think to figure things out. It gets you thinking which is a good thing whether you figure it out or not. While thinking you might even figure something out that you can teach me someday.
    You know much more about BJ and stuff than I do. I have nothing to teach you yet. Maybe someday I'll figure out something new. That would be cool. I think the unique approach I developed is just what you do, but with BJ instead of SP21. It's not as good as your game, but it gets the job done.

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