OSN and barring/trespass protocols

**ZeeBabar** · 08-09-2017, 06:35 AM

Say you have a Station (or MGM or Ceasers) Players card issued by Palace Station (Or MGM or Ceasers) have played rated there for years, get regular comps, are considered a ploppy, have lost big on ocassion there and everybody knows you, greets you when you fly in from New York.

On your recent visit, you walk n to the Boulder Station property (or in Biloxi or Horseshoe in IN), count but also get n a hot streak and get up by $2k after the very first shoe and someone there picks up that you are an AP, backs you off. Can they put you on OSN?

How does that sit with the property that gave you a players card in the first place? The one that sees you as a ploppy, welcomes you and comps you? Are they to honor a far away casino's decision to OSN you after 20 minutes of play?

There must be safeguards that prevent a casino from making a decision to put you in the OSN? It's unlikely that a small time casino can screw up a desired player by its sister casinos? Anyone know the protocols? If they back you off on one property, will other properties know of it?

**Midwest Player** · 08-09-2017, 05:00 PM

Zee, did you get backed off on you 2 day visit to Vegas?

**bigplayer** · 08-09-2017, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Say you have a Station (or MGM or Ceasers) Players card issued by Palace Station (Or MGM or Ceasers) have played rated there for years, get regular comps, are considered a ploppy, have lost big on ocassion there and everybody knows you, greets you when you fly in from New York.

On your recent visit, you walk n to the Boulder Station property (or in Biloxi or Horseshoe in IN), count but also get n a hot streak and get up by $2k after the very first shoe and someone there picks up that you are an AP, backs you off. Can they put you on OSN?

How does that sit with the property that gave you a players card in the first place? The one that sees you as a ploppy, welcomes you and comps you? Are they to honor a far away casino's decision to OSN you after 20 minutes of play?

There must be safeguards that prevent a casino from making a decision to put you in the OSN? It's unlikely that a small time casino can screw up a desired player by its sister casinos? Anyone know the protocols? If they back you off on one property, will other properties know of it?

Casino's do not have the power to put anyone in OSN. They send an alert to OSN's Administrator and they decide based on the facts and the casino. It usually takes 2-3 days from the time an incident happens until your file is updated and a BOLO appears in the system. That does not mean that individual casinos might not decide to send out an e-mail alert to their neighbors or that they also report to Biometrica or Griffin who might send out an alert ahead of everyone. There are other networks besides OSN.

The property that gave you a players card could care less. That does not mean that they will always know you've been backed off by a sister property. Sometimes they see it right off, sometimes they only see activity from their particular property and have to dig a few screens down to see your remarks from the entire system of casinos.

Some casinos will shove your bet out of the circle the first time you raise your bet. (Suncoast, Gold Coast, Texas Station, etc). None of the national databases take backoff reports from them seriously and those properties don't even bother reporting to anyone. (usually). The various databases take reports from the major chains far more seriously. Usually, however, you have no way to know which casino reports you, the reports usually only say "A Las Vegas Casino reports backing off Zeebabar for 21 Advantage Play. He was last seen spreading $25-$300 on double deck and left in a White Ford Mustang with Illinois license plate ZBR 212" I would disagree that a small casino can screw up a desired player. One casino can easily screw your account for an entire casino chain. Go play Treasure Chest in Kenner, when they 86 you after 30 minutes you're entire life at all Boyd Casinos is over with.

**bigplayer** · 08-09-2017, 06:10 PM

By the way, you are already in OSN, I've seen your photo.

**ZeeBabar** · 08-09-2017, 06:11 PM

Still in Vegas (arrived exactly 24 hours ago), still playing rated, still doing a lot of driving, received unexpected help and advice from a pro (don't know why he isn't on this forum, last name Grifter), played about 6 hours total, up about $1.2k but through shear good luck. Took a nap, heading out. Not backed off yet probably because of short spread (1-5). Interestingly, briefly down $700, a casino host showed up to introduce herself to me, asked where I was staying. I mentioned a sister property and she immediately suggested that she was about 95% sure their rooms were better and I could stay there. I thanked her for the offer but told her it's too much trouble to go back, pack up and return. She took my email address and promised to send offers to me!!!

I did try to play unrated but the scrutiny was high and I had the choice of making a bad play or two or giving them my players card, I opted to hand over my card. Lots of driving cause I am keeping sessions short, played in 8 sessions in 6 hours at 6 casinos with a max win of $475, one loss of just $25.

I think the Las Vegas pros on this forum keep bad mouthing Las Vegas in a United effort to drive pros to other cities. It's still the best if wins can be contained to small ones, if you play greens, if you keep you max bet to under $200 and keep your sessions short.

**ZeeBabar** · 08-09-2017, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by bigplayer

By the way, you are already in OSN, I've seen your photo.

Then it's not do bad. Played with card today in MGM, CET and Tropicana.

**bigplayer** · 08-09-2017, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Then it's not do bad. Played with card today in MGM, CET and Tropicana.

Turns out you probably aren't in OSN. I just saw your picture somewhere.

**Ryemo** · 08-09-2017, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Then it's not do bad. Played with card today in MGM, CET and Tropicana.

I can confirm bigplayer's latest post. You are definitely not in OSN. But nonetheless, having a profile in OSN most likely will not affect your play with MGM or CET. Not sure about Trop though. Tropicana was recently acquired by Penn Gaming not too long ago and I know for a fact that some of their properties actively contribute to OSN.

**BJGenius007** · 08-10-2017, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Say you have a Station (or MGM or Ceasers) Players card issued by Palace Station (Or MGM or Ceasers) have played rated there for years, get regular comps, are considered a ploppy, have lost big on ocassion there and everybody knows you, greets you when you fly in from New York.

On your recent visit, you walk n to the Boulder Station property (or in Biloxi or Horseshoe in IN), count but also get n a hot streak and get up by $2k after the very first shoe and someone there picks up that you are an AP, backs you off. Can they put you on OSN?

How does that sit with the property that gave you a players card in the first place? The one that sees you as a ploppy, welcomes you and comps you? Are they to honor a far away casino's decision to OSN you after 20 minutes of play?

There must be safeguards that prevent a casino from making a decision to put you in the OSN? It's unlikely that a small time casino can screw up a desired player by its sister casinos? Anyone know the protocols? If they back you off on one property, will other properties know of it?

There is no standard procedure. It is really subject judgement or luck of the draw.

**Freightman** · 08-10-2017, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Then it's not do bad. Played with card today in MGM, CET and Tropicana.

Zee
I'm pissed off at you. I specufucally told u during the email exchange not to play rated at MGM, Stations, as a back off screws you through the chain. Why bother telling you anything.

For redemption, go find a rub and and tug and report back.

**Freightman** · 08-10-2017, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

Zee
I'm pissed off at you. I specufucally told u during the email exchange not to play rated at MGM, Stations, as a back off screws you through the chain. Why bother telling you anything.

For redemption, go find a rub and and tug and report back.

Think I'll get some new cards with my new alias - Zeebabar Smith. Has a ring to it.

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 08-10-2017, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

" ... advice from a pro (don't know why he isn't on this forum, last name Grifter)"

You are referring to ZenGrifter. He is barred. A convicted felon,
he is a seriously unsavory character. Did he pick your pocket?

**ZeeBabar** · 08-10-2017, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by ZenMaster_Flash

You are referring to ZenGrifter. He is barred. A convicted felon,
he is a seriously unsavory character. Did he pick your pocket?

No. We never talked, just a couple of PM's. He seemed nice, did not offer to meet me. He suggested a rotation of places, suggested I play unrated (I did not), gave me a tip for the LL side bet. I would not be so judgmental since my experience with him was pleasant.