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    Advice needed on playing rated and longevity in local casinos

    Last week I moved into this town with about 5 casinos within a 40 minute drive. Only two with DD games I like and one with 6 deck game with good pen. I used to live further away, come a couple of times a month to play here, used to go to MS more often (the drive was about 4-5 hours to both, MS and this town.

    Now that I am here, always played rated, I am often tempted to go play every day for a short session (45 minutes). The problem is how to avoid counter measures and sustain longevity.

    since they record my visits, I wonder if there is any point in playing different shifts. I mean, you go play in the evening but they probably can see that you were there 6 hours earlier and walked away with $400 and won another $200 the day before etc. They all know me so playing unrated is impossible.

    I just moved to this town on the 1st. I played in two casinos. The result was

    August 2, Plus $850. 1hr.
    August 3. Plus. $35. 45 min.
    August 5th, Plus $180. 30 minutes
    Plus $420. 15 minutes

    This is just good variance, there will be times when I am down. Do I intentionally book losses? Do I resist and play less often?
    How do I manage longevity? What strategies might I use?

    I just don't want to lose the casinos a month after I moved into town!



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    All good points, T3. However, I wonder what they see when I hand over my card and let them log in. Since I play at quiet times, sometimes they take a while to return my card and they seem to stare at the monitor. Do they see my last X sessions? If they do, they may see a series of wins. Moreover, if they have play recorded automatically, couod someone winning 4-5 sessions in a row mean they could rewind and check if a player is counting?

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    Zee
    Dont sweat it. An eits analysis of your play will determine e thT you're not a threat. You don't spread enough, your basic is sub par, and you're often afraid to make he proper decision.

    As a general rule, neve book a loss on purpose. It's okay to lose some hands on purpose, deoending on situation. Having said that, for the first time in my memory, I purposely lost a session yesterday. I overcame an in the soup $3500 buy in with a monster shoe that put me up a few dollars. I played into the next shoe, literally losing my modest profit, creating a small loss. I look at it as investment, however, I caught attention and the future dividends do remain unclear. You need not concern yourself with those philosophies.

    Reread 3's post. He makes some very valuable suggestions which pertain to your situation.

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    I suggest polite spreads. Be pleasant and useful. Leave at the conclusion of a shoe when you are modestly up or down. Try not to book large losses or wins, but don't compromise your play to do so. They realise anything can happen within a shoe, but what you do after matters. I agree that your play, when evaluated, may very well be deemed not a threat.

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    moses
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    It has been years ~ and you are still imagining that making weird plays
    will get you 86'd. You have been told by me, and by several others that
    your position on this ploy is utterly false.The essential opposite is correct.

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    Please stop calling Zee a doctor. He never claimed he was. He just said "the pit boss probably thinks I am doctor"

    Now regarding index plays. Pit persons and surveillance get trained on monitoring deviation from basic strategy and they do enter these deviation in their analysis. The only caveat is most of them are not good enough to figure out what is dumb play from deviation. The exceptions are taking insurance and splitting 10s. They can pick on these two pretty quickly. In general, I would agree not to worry about that issue except for not splitting 10s.

    I think moving a family to a town for casino purpose, if that assumption is true ( as it could be coincidence) is probably good reason to think seriously about seeking help for gambling addition, even for a winning AP player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    You've played in South Philly
    Typically, this smart or stupid theory may fly in Philly.
    Will you stop with this nonsense? You sound really stupid.

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    Never get rated. I have a friend that played at local $5 table and told never played BJ again because surveillance confirmed he is counting, even very modestly. His max bet is only $45. He made a lot of money as a programmer/system analyst. Playing BJ is just a hobby. But casino doesn't look that way. Counting is counting.

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    First, I did not move to play in casinos. I retired from my job located near a one casino small town and my wife felt that we needed to move to a bigger city where there are more options (malls, theatres, community etc.). Our first choice was music city which had no casinos within 3 hours. I started taking short trips to MS and MO with one or two to alas Vegas. However, high schools in the area were not good and we missed family in MO. So, we decided to move to a big city in MO. It's where I started living as of this month. The moves had nothing to do with casinos though I felt that I could control myself easily if casinos were not close by.

    Now I am back to a big city with casinos. I am a much better player now than when I started (and had obtained Players cars) and in the first 5 days,, 5 sessions totaling 3 hours, I won $850, $35, $180, $420 and $600 at two casinos. I expressed my fear in the OP that I will lose these casinos and was trying to figure out whether it makes any difference playing short sessions as they are recording my wins and trying to figure out how I should manage these 5 casinos. My thought is to not visit the two casinos I played in over the past 6 days, hit the other two with tougher games for me ((6deck) and take short trips and perhaps develop a rotation strategy. The problem is that in the local casinos I play rated. I had been accepted because I was a poor player 2-3 years ago but now, I am wondering how to keep them from realizing that I do much better these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    T3. You do realize you are preaching longevity to a guy about 3 tables ONLY. Not 5 casinos.

    Zee only plays i18. I mentioned dropping splitting tens as this is the ultimate end to a longevity run.

    Now, the 16 will keep folks out of trouble for the most part. Take on Perfect Insurance and Wong Halves. But Zee wont even do that much. You think he is going to memorize 300 indices? Again, the gain is minimal in pitch games because the frequency in minimal. If you spent any time on Verite and digging into CV Data, you would know this.
    I play I-18 plus a few more. HiLo (lately keep a side count of Aces cause it may help when doubling down on an 11 against 10, ins decisions, etc). Slow learner but listening to you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    First, I did not move to play in casinos. I retired from my job located near a one casino small town and my wife felt that we needed to move to a bigger city where there are more options (malls, theatres, community etc.). Our first choice was music city which had no casinos within 3 hours. I started taking short trips to MS and MO with one or two to alas Vegas. However, high schools in the area were not good and we missed family in MO. So, we decided to move to a big city in MO. It's where I started living as of this month. The moves had nothing to do with casinos though I felt that I could control myself easily if casinos were not close by.

    Now I am back to a big city with casinos. I am a much better player now than when I started (and had obtained Players cars) and in the first 5 days,, 5 sessions totaling 3 hours, I won $850, $35, $180, $420 and $600 at two casinos. I expressed my fear in the OP that I will lose these casinos and was trying to figure out whether it makes any difference playing short sessions as they are recording my wins and trying to figure out how I should manage these 5 casinos. My thought is to not visit the two casinos I played in over the past 6 days, hit the other two with tougher games for me ((6deck) and take short trips and perhaps develop a rotation strategy. The problem is that in the local casinos I play rated. I had been accepted because I was a poor player 2-3 years ago but now, I am wondering how to keep them from realizing that I do much better these days.
    Zee, I thought MO casinos can't bar card counters. What are you worried about?

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    "T3. You've played in South Philly and maybe a few other places that self annoit you as a pro. But in this case, Im sorry, but you are wrong.

    Here is what really happens. You start making these weird plays. Sometimes you are right, sometimes you are wrong. No harm. No foul. Right? Wrong!

    For one thing, you and your partner couldnt have been in a more dangerous place ten years ago...and you didn't even know it."


    "I wasnt exactly welcomed with open arms either. You could cut the tension in the air with a knife. I could win just by knowing what was played - what remains. But these were not nice folks back then, need I repeat? "

    "Luckily, you both encountered one of the nicer guys if all they did was hit his card for comps."

    "I dont know what blackjack is like in Central City, Co or Jasper, Mo. I don't think you do either. But I've been in hundreds of small town USA's. They all have the same underlying viewpoint. "We take care of our own." So you big city east coasters may think you are walking into a den of dumbshits
    Lord, help you when you discover you are wrong."


    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Okay. Here is another scenario. Im sitting alone at a table, minding my own biz. Joe BS talkalot is sitting at his table being annoying. Now, Joe decides to join me and yammer his damn fool head off. I leave in an effort to restrain from crowning this miserable f.

    Joe is now in the sportsbook, broke, seething, and wants to be left alone. But these guys come up and start giving him shit. Hmmm. How do you think this coincedence comes about? It's called the good ole boys network. It originates in small town USA.

    Moses, besides practicing for hours every day with Norm's products, do you also frequently watch the old movie Deliverance? Specifically the dueling banjos scene?


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myhnAZFR1po

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    T3. I was referring to the frequency of negative indices. You are saved by the shuffle.

    Playing double deck games you are going to face plenty of both decent positive, and bad negative counts in lots of different shoes before the re- shuffle happens.
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