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    Since we've established this is a thread for noobies, I have a question:

    what would be the best count system for 6D shoe?

    Researching in the past few days brought me to discover the BRH System (0 through 2). If anyone knows where to find this book please please help! Uston SS would be the next candidate on the list.

    Simply put, hi lo BC sucks for play all, and difficulty is not an issue.



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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrower View Post
    Since we've established this is a thread for noobies, I have a question:

    what would be the best count system for 6D shoe?
    My suggestion would be Zen if you can handle a level-two count. If you struggle with that, next best would be true-counted KO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrower View Post
    Since we've established this is a thread for noobies, I have a question:

    what would be the best count system for 6D shoe?

    Researching in the past few days brought me to discover the BRH System (0 through 2). If anyone knows where to find this book please please help! Uston SS would be the next candidate on the list.

    Simply put, hi lo BC sucks for play all, and difficulty is not an issue.
    Another softball for the thread!

    HIOPT II ASC will get top billing unless you move to Tarzan advanced count.

    Correct answer is "it depends" on what you are trying to accomplish and how you are playing. If you are just starting then I would suggest you pick a balanced count and move forward slowly. Going to level 2 will add complexity which promotes errors, the trade off. Become proficient in a simpler count, learn all the associated aspects of playing (Bet ramps, bankroll size, RoR, N0, ZScore, etc) then determine if pupil is ready for the advanced course and if the time is right.

    Opposing views may be posted momentarily.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Correct answer is "it depends" on what you are trying to accomplish and how you are playing.
    situational . what do you want to accomplished ? rpc is better for the job vs ko. will be worth it if the game is 5/6 or better . ko is enough is the game is 4.5/6 or worse. how much can you spread? if you hardly need to spread then hi opt 2( no asc) pe is very good . halves betting correlation is very strong if the game is 5.25 /6 and beyond. hi lo/ko will get the money and it is easy and if you are not only counting. The answer is it depends !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    earn all the associated aspects of playing (Bet ramps, bankroll size, RoR, N0, ZScore, etc
    these aspect are very important as well.

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    Looking at buying a membership to blackjack apprentice (any comments on that?). The books it would require for all that information would add up considerably, and Bja looks worth it based on the casino reports alone. Cvcx is a definite buy.

    On another note, a 1-12 spread on shoe games is considered small, correct? I'm pretty certain the casino (only one around) knows, one dealer even looked at me the other day and says "what's the count?!". Figure, keeping small stakes is why they allow the action ($10 table).

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrower View Post
    Looking at buying a membership to blackjack apprentice (any comments on that?). The books it would require for all that information would add up considerably, and Bja looks worth it based on the casino reports alone. Cvcx is a definite buy.

    On another note, a 1-12 spread on shoe games is considered small, correct? I'm pretty certain the casino (only one around) knows, one dealer even looked at me the other day and says "what's the count?!". Figure, keeping small stakes is why they allow the action ($10 table).

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    In local casinos, 1-12 might even get you backed off, though perhaps not on a $10 minimum game. I tend to start shoe with 2 x $10, switch often from one hand to 2 hands of $10 each at neutral counts and then, if the count is high positive, I go to 2 x $90, in negative counts it's one hand of $10. If you include a good act, it's easier to get away. They see it as a small spread if you keep your max bet under $100.

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    My last trip I lost close to $200 playing 2 hands. They make you pay 2x table min/hand. Should have saved it for high count (it was 0 tc). That plus a couple Max bets where I likely should have judged it lower TC, and now I'm down from $1,000 + positive to now breaking even. Hate to admit mistakes, because they're preventable and costly. Major reality check. Spent a couple days the "dissolutioned counter" in Million Dollar BJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flamethrower View Post
    My last trip I lost close to $200 playing 2 hands. They make you pay 2x table min/hand. Should have saved it for high count (it was 0 tc). That plus a couple Max bets where I likely should have judged it lower TC, and now I'm down from $1,000 + positive to now breaking even. Hate to admit mistakes, because they're preventable and costly. Major reality check. Spent a couple days the "dissolutioned counter" in Million Dollar BJ.

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    How many deck shoe?

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    6d, no surr, h17, das, no respl ace, 75-80% pen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    Don. I believe the multiplying full Kelly by .5 was playing at a fraction of kelly. Most pros or those with large BR's have to play at a fraction of Kelly. I could be wrong but that is how I took the original post that you corrected.
    Betting half Kelly has nothing to do with the formula for calculating optimal wager. You NEVER multiply by the variance. If BR is $10,000 and edge is, say, 1%, then the correct Kelly wager is $100/variance = $75. Multiply by the variance, and you get $133, or an overbet of 77%!! Betting half Kelly won't change the fact that you will now be betting $133/2, instead of $75/2, and you will STILL be overbetting by 77%.

    I hope this is clear to everyone. It would have been easier if Meistro had simply admitted his error, but the best defense is always a good offense, so he stupidly decided it would make more sense to attack me and make believe that he hadn't screwed up the formula. People like Gronbog, who understand the math, called him out, and rightly so.

    Don

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