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    Would you play this game...

    DD, double 9-11, no DAS, H-17, dealt face up, $25 min. You can only play two hands if the second hand has twice minimum AND if you start with 2 hands. You cannot increase to two hands if you start with 1 hand or switch from 2 hands to one hand and back. The positive is that the pen is 80%. No heat spreading 1-8 and max bet under $200.

    I started out at two hands ($50 on one, $25 on the other) and stayed with it at neutral or positive count, dropped to one hand at first negative count (course, if count turns positive again, you cannot go back to two hands). Basically, a starting bet of $75 and then strictly by count. In 40 minutes, went down $450, up $300 and down again, leaving the table with $165 win after three ploppies joined (cause I did not think the rules would support playing with 4 at table). Only one DD table in the joint.

    Its about a 90 minute drive from my future home. I think I can get a heads up or two people game during the day on most days before 3:00 p.m. The table only opens at 11:00 a.m. Considering including it in future rotation.

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    Yes, I'd play - at 80% pen and a 1-8 spread, the SCORE is through the roof on that game. Should be an easy $50 per hour. Get to it before somebody else burns it.

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    probably just better off playing one hand all the time while heads up. seems like a great game despite the restrictive rules. at least u won't have to worry about those night mare splits where you split, split double, double and lose all

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    Sounds like a good game, the pen is what saves it as those rules are junk. Play it!

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    Thanks guys. By starting two hands, I thought I would have a bigger spread. A minimum $25 bet and a max of 2 x $200. I believe the dealer would call out "checks play" if bigger bets are placed. The negative is $75 on table at the start...sort of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Thanks guys. By starting two hands, I thought I would have a bigger spread. A minimum $25 bet and a max of 2 x $200. I believe the dealer would call out "checks play" if bigger bets are placed. The negative is $75 on table at the start...sort of.
    My guess is that you won't last long at 2x$200 at that game. May be your first backoff.

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    Question for all the pro's here: For double deck, isn't an 8-1 spread using an industry standard count a HUGE tip-off? Wouldn't a lower spread be warranted using more indices to fight off the huge house edge that Zee is playing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    80% is over 80 cards seen per deck. Man, I hate to be an old stick in the mud. But what are you going to do when the turns negative and you are stuck playing it out with two hands? I would imagine you cant view the 2nd hand until you've completed play on the first hand. Run a Sim. The numbers won't lie.
    Drop to one hand under a negative count and increment as the count goes up on that single hand.

    Sounds like Zee is gambling for a plus count out of the shoe when he has about 60% chance that the count will be negative

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    80% is over 80 cards seen per deck.

    Impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    My understanding was Zee doesnt have that option. Once he starts with two he has to stay with two for the entire deck. Or if he starts with one, he cant jump to two hands.
    Here is what I am interpreting:

    Zee starts with 2 hands: 2u and 1u respectfully. As per the rules, if he wants to play two hands the given set-up is what is played.

    When the count goes negative, Zee surrenders his second hand and goes to 1u hand. Raising and lowering as the count moves. Never going back to 2 hands until the shuffle

    If Zee is at two hands and the count goes up, he increments both units: 2u 2u -> 3u 3u -> 4u 4u... ->Nu Nu.
    If Zee is at one hand and the count goes up, he increments his single hand, unable to spread his hand.

    It seems as though the casino permits dropping hands, not adding them. Nothing wrong with that. I will let Zee confirm or deny the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Impossible.
    It actually 82.4 cards.

    Now, if only I could get an extra .4 of an Ace...hmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogman_1234 View Post
    It actually 82.4 cards.

    Now, if only I could get an extra .4 of an Ace...hmm?
    I believe it is 83.2 cards seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    80% is over 80 cards seen per deck. Man, I hate to be an old stick in the mud. But what are you going to do when the turns negative and you are stuck playing it out with two hands? I would imagine you cant view the 2nd hand until you've completed play on the first hand. Run a Sim. The numbers won't lie.
    Op said it's dealt face-up.

    Don

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