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    Are you happy now Zee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Are you happy now Zee?
    I did not write the following:

    Beast mode is only used (in the casino in question) to repel or 'back off' known or suspected Advantage Players. My source claimed this is completely legal.

    http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambl...emaster-games/

    End of quote.

    This is based on my observations on two local casinos. One local casino is using it only to repel know AP. The other casino is not. I found they turn the beast model on ALL THE TIME to control the house edge definitely. On their $10/$15 minimal table, the setting seems to set at 60%, so three out of five shoes are clumped. House edge is 15%. On their $25 minimal table, the setting seems to be at 20% or 40%, so one or two out of five shoes are clumped. House edge is 5% or 10%. On holiday, all tables were set at 80%. This casino rake the most money on holidays.

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    This is great.

    BJ "Genius" - a) did you actually read the thread, and B) did you actually think it supports your thesis? This stupidity gets ravaged in general, and even you specifically in that thread. Thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    This is great.



    BJ "Genius" - a) did you actually read the thread, and B) did you actually think it supports your thesis? This stupidity gets ravaged in general, and even you specifically in that thread. Thanks for posting.
    You are welcome.

    The point is that 130 posters have 130 different opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Who is this guy? Not that i disagree. But man, you're a little ballsy aren't ya?
    He is some newbie asking this question

    "I use RPC / FELT-F. I have recently started side counting 7's for a side bet.

    My question is, is there anything else I can do with the information from my side counted 7's? RPC tags already count 7 as +1, but I figure since I have this extra information now on the 7, maybe I can use it elsewhere in the game.

    Thanks! "

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    He is some newbie asking this question

    "I use RPC / FELT-F. I have recently started side counting 7's for a side bet.

    My question is, is there anything else I can do with the information from my side counted 7's? RPC tags already count 7 as +1, but I figure since I have this extra information now on the 7, maybe I can use it elsewhere in the game.

    Thanks! "

    This above copied quote is a real cheap shot by you that does not belong here. At least the man spoke to you directly. Furthermore if you do not like what he is doing, how come you did not offer to help in the thread where it was written?
    Last edited by BoSox; 07-14-2017 at 12:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    By the end of the shoe i lost $600. I decided to play one more shoe, count went up to +2 in a minute again and i split two to hands, the whole shoe was high count but dealer never bust. I lost another $900 this shoe and i left table. So did i do anything wrong or just the odd hit me. Also I still have money in my pocket, should i try again since the pen is good & not too many players in table. Thx

    Since you asked if you did anything wrong, I am not sure, but I feel you need to be asking yourself two very important questions. You have previously stated of some past monetary losses, along with the outcome of your last current trip, are you chasing YOUR money, because it does not sit well with you? If you are, you are not alone, in that this huge mistake is considered a common gambling theme, and a recipe for disaster! When you are playing blackjack plenty of variance occurs, and whatever good or bad direction the swings are taking you, you are always playing with your money. If you are having a real bad day as an example, and in your pocket you now have 3k less than when you walked in the door, you must think logically as there is no fooling yourself, since the 3k is now sitting in the dealers rack. Do not compound previous mistakes that you may have made, by continuing doing the same things, for all the wrong reasons. Myself, and a few others have suggested that you are not ready to be playing for real money yet, can you honestly say that you are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Since you asked if you did anything wrong, I am not sure, but I feel you need to be asking yourself two very important questions. You have previously stated of some past monetary losses, along with the outcome of your last current trip, are you chasing YOUR money, because it does not sit well with you? If you are, you are not alone, in that this huge mistake is considered a common gambling theme, and a recipe for disaster! When you are playing blackjack plenty of variance occurs, and whatever good or bad direction the swings are taking you, you are always playing with your money. If you are having a real bad day as an example, and in your pocket you now have 3k less than when you walked in the door, you must think logically as there is no fooling yourself, since the 3k is now sitting in the dealers rack. Do not compound previous mistakes that you may have made, by continuing doing the same things, for all the wrong reasons. Myself, and a few others have suggested that you are not ready to be playing for real money yet, can you honestly say that you are?
    And if you are?

    Not saying that the OP necessarily is, but are you actually "chasing the money" when you know its just a run of bad variance, you're on top of your game, and you've got the required bank?

    Because thats the only thing that separates APs from degenerate gamblers. They're just educated gamblers at the end of the day. Its a very fine line distinguishing addiction amongst both groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    I wrote a program to simulate the clumping effect. Depending on the setting of clumpness, ASM on beast mode has 10% to 15% house edge compared to 0.5% on hand shuffled game. And because the cards are segmented in departments, TC theory has little effect on entire shoe. Basically even TC is super high, if this is in the "mid-card" department, your chance to get a 8 or 9 is higher than to get a face card. This is consistent with my real life experience. I began to struggle with my play four years ago when my local shops updated their ASM to newest model. I struggled to win. Then I found out one casino far away but still within my drive distance, I began to win again with ease because this casino only hand shuffled. The key point to win with ease, just like what I did for decades. Right now I spend most of my play time on the hand shuffled casino. Occasionally I would play at the nearby casino just for observation. Never saw any AP or BS player win there.
    I wish you would SHUT THE F*CK UP.

    There is 2 possibilities:
    1) You are wrong and should be banned for spreading such nonsense.
    2) You are right and now rather than having this happen at 1 or 2 casinos across the country they all say look the guy says here is a very effective way to cheat and we can't get caught. So let's cheat. And the problem spreads like a virus across the country.

    It is either one or the other. I am not sure which one makes you out to be worse. Either one has you being about the lowest and most stupid poster ever. One for being insane and wrong and the other for taking a local problem and doing everything in your power to make it spread like the plague. I am not sure which has the lower bar. For both you need a shovel to get under the bar. So stop shoveling the shit or spreading the problem. Use your head and try to be a part of the solution rather than the biggest part of the problem; whichever problem we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three View Post
    I wish you would SHUT THE F*CK UP.

    There is 2 possibilities:
    1) You are wrong and should be banned for spreading such nonsense.
    2) You are right and now rather than having this happen at 1 or 2 casinos across the country they all say look the guy says here is a very effective way to cheat and we can't get caught. So let's cheat. And the problem spreads like a virus across the country.

    It is either one or the other. I am not sure which one makes you out to be worse. Either one has you being about the lowest and most stupid poster ever. One for being insane and wrong and the other for taking a local problem and doing everything in your power to make it spread like the plague. I am not sure which has the lower bar. For both you need a shovel to get under the bar. So stop shoveling the shit or spreading the problem. Use your head and try to be a part of the solution rather than the biggest part of the problem; whichever problem we have.
    Calm down. I have long given up to find a solution for this particular casino or two. Why would I go to the casino and be unhappy when I can go to another casino and win 80% of the time? It is just when someone seems to have the similar problem, I feel I need to remind him of the possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    Calm down. I have long given up to find a solution for this particular casino or two. Why would I go to the casino and be unhappy when I can go to another casino and win 80% of the time? It is just when someone seems to have the similar problem, I feel I need to remind him of the possibility.
    All you are doing is telling casinos that deal a fair game that they should cheat so just STFU. I thought you were supposed to be smear. Or is your name one of those ironic ones?

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